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spankrjs's Biloxi, MS '83 Scrambler

spankrjs

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Is a half nut a different thing in the States?. i meant one of these, looked like there was room for one on your photo and made for the job.
Let me get out of the way now and you can carry on the way you were, you seem to be managing fine without me. :thumbsup:

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No worries LOL :thumbsup::cheers:

I see, when you say "1/2 nut", it means "thin/low profile/jamb" nut". Gotcha, that might have fit back there, but the OD would make it tight, and be a pain to hold in place while threading the idler pulley/bolt through the plate, and then into it. But, could be a solution :thumbsup:


Regarding "half nut", me and John were referring to this LOL :crazy::rotfl::thumbsup:

https://www.cj-8.com/threads/my-newest-project-me.47417/


I ordered a M12x1.75 allen head cap screws from McMaster-Carr yesterday, should be here today :fingerscrossed:

I couldn't remember the length I needed, so I ordered them 100mm long, thank God for the Dremel!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Now I understand what you ment by 1/2 nut. I have no idea what the correct name is, but I always just referred to them as thin nut. :cheers:
 

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Finally finished my idler pulley modification.

My 12mmx1.75 Allen Head bolts got here, and my thin/low profile nuts fro the timing chain cover studs:

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The Allen Heads give a bit more clearance than a hex head, not much. Looking down, you can see the hex points sticking out beyond the round allen head bolt's head:

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Big problem with the allen head bolts: the head is way thicker than a hex head or hex nut:

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The thin jamb nuts worked perfectly on the timing chain studs to secure my idler pulley mounting plate:

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More clearance around bolt threads then originally thought:

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Unmodified allen head bolt head fouls on the timing chain cover:

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Added a third washer between the idler pulley mounting plate and the timing chain cover, allen head bolt's head still fouls, but better. Still have full thread engagement into the block with 3 washers on the studs, but do not want to space them out any further:

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Tried this next, regular bolt with flange nut on the back:

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spankrjs

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The flange nut fouls on the timing chain cover, too:

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No worries. I had to break out the grinder to cut down the length of the allen head bolts, so I have the technology to reduce the head height of the allen head bolts, too:

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Initial trim:

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Much better, the head barely touches the timing chain cover:

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Good belt/pulley alignement:

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So, I ground down the head a little bit more, hit both modified ends with some paint:

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The finished product, finally:

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Just what I wanted. A bunch of extra work. IF I would have offset the idler pulley bolt hole down from center a couple more millimeters, none of this would have been necessary. Live and learn, but what I have now works. Bolt threads into the plate from the back, bolt head bears on rear of plate, lock nut on front of plate, thread locker at idler bolt to plate threads. I am not worried about this bolt working loose LOL.
 

spankrjs

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No worries about the allen head bolt's head rubbing a hole through the timing chain cover, plenty of clearance:

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Good belt/pulley alignment:


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Added some tension where I thought it needed it:

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Still clearance between AC clutch pulley and "tensioner" pulley:

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Drove around about 4 hours this weekend with AC on. No AC belt squealing, or hot fuel issues. So, very happy about that.

I need to add carpet to keep some of the heat from the hot floor boards from migrating into the cab while the windows are up and the AC is on. Other then that, pretty happy with everything.

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And find a new front cross member cover.

That's it for now :wave:
 

spankrjs

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Looks like me and @Randyzzz had the same idea on carpet!!!!!

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I had been watching the ACC Scrambler carpet kit on eBay, last week it popped up "Special Offer", 20% off and free shipping, so I pulled the trigger.

This should help out the the comfort level, and AC/heat performance.

Since I currently have JeepAddict's '84 Scrambler in my garage, with no interior, AND matching T5/Dana 300 combination, should be easy to lay this carpet in the '84 tub (after pulling shifters) and cut it to fit.

I have factory carpet in my Red Scrambler, which is a two piece system, that can be pulled in/out without removing the seats/center console. I MIGHT see if their is enough material on the ACC kit to cut it to match the OEM carpet. If so, I plan on modifying this carpet, sewing on edge banding, ect., to better mimic the OEM. All Jeep CJ's leak, so being able to quickly remove the carpet is a plus :twocents:
 

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Since I have JeepAddicts red Scrambler in my garage, I am going to use it as a template to prep/cut the ACC carpet. His Jeep and my green Scrambler both have T5's, so all the holes should match up. I will pull some measurements before I start hacking up the carpet to confirm.

Using his Jeep means I can keep driving my green Scrambler around while I fiddle fart around messing with the carpet.

Pulled out the driver seat, both shifters, and seat belts:

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Anyway, I am happy with the fit of the carpet at the firewall, sides, and how it is pre molded to fit over the raised parts of the floor, fits great at the front and sides.

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I have original OEM carpet in my red Scrambler. The OEM front piece I have goes up the firewall at the driver side and passenger side. The ACC carpet does not, not the end of the world. Less stuff to cut and trim, but I guess it will not be as good of a thermal barrier.

In my red Scrambler, using the OEM carpet, I am using a CJ7 rear piece. It stops at the rear riser, like the Scrambler piece does. The ACC carpet is molded to turn 90 degrees up at the riser, then turn back horizontal and lay flat on the bed floor where the bulkhead is at. This would be fine IF you are using carpet in the bed and no bulkhead. I am not, so I will probably cut this part off.

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The two areas that will require some trimming are the rear floor corners, where the seat belt and floor/riser reinforcement brackets are located.

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I do not want to bolt the carpet to the floor underneath the seat belts/reinforcement braces, so I will probably just cut the two rear corners out completely.

Ideally, I would love to cut the ACC one piece matt into two pieces like OEM carpet. If I could do this, and trim it out around the seat frames like the OEM stuff, I could remove the carpet easily, would just have to unbolt the console.

I will have to see if that is possible/and if I have the skills to do it??

On my green Scrambler, it wouldn't be the end of the world to have to pull the seats out to get the carpet out, but that would be a PIA.

That's it for now.
 

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Took a break from JeepAddicts red Scrambler project, and yard work, decided to start hacking up my new carpet.

I wanted to cut out the big holes for the T5/Dana 300 first, so a quick comparison of the two Jeeps, close enough.

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I want the carpet to go over the shifter boots. I do not want to screw the shifter boots to the top of the carpet. More work, but I want the carpet to be easy to remove.

I pulled the boots back off, cut out the holes that line up with the floor plate first.

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This carpet has a thick pad at the front portion. Probably good for sound/heat transfer, but makes cutting a PIA.

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Cut the little notches for the B-pillars, did a quick rough hole for the high beam switch.

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Roughly how I want the carpet to fit over/around the shifter boots. This will require more trimming/fitting later on.

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Getting both my Scramblers out for measurements and mock ups.

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My red Scrambler has OEM carpet inside. The front portion is identical, CJ-7 or Scrambler. The back part is different, depending on CJ-7 or Scrambler. My rear piece is for a 7. It will work in a Scrambler, it just does not fit correctly in the back corners. I never trimmed it, just let it be.

My front piece was originally for a T176 transmission. I added a hole for my Ox Locker shifter bracket. I then cut it to fit a T5. Then cut is some more for an AX15. It has been around the block, but I still like it.

Not sure if it comes cut short under the console from the factory or if I did this. Regardless, I will leave the carpet full length under the center console.

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On my red Scrambler, I have a Tuffy stereo center console that is bolted through the floor. The front piece of carpet pulls out without messing with the console. To take the back piece of carpet out I have to pull the two rear center console bolts. Minor PIA for cleaning, but worth it IMO for the sound/heat blocking benefits of carpet. My red Scrambler gets used off road, and gets rained in sometimes. So, I do pull this carpet out several times a year. My green Scrambler has an older Bestop center console that has four sheet metal screws to hold it to the floor. It will be a bit easier to pull this console for cleaning/drying when needed.

Passenger front, simple slits in the OEM carpet to fit around the passenger seat frame.

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Drivers front has slits for the flip forward seat bracket, AND square cut outs to clear the fixed driver base. Always wondered what these square cut outs were for, since I have a flip forward seat base in my red Scrambler. My green Scrambler has a fixed driver side seat base, so I need to go back and add these square cut outs to the slits to clear the fixed driver side seat base.

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Passenger rear, simple slits for the seat base, not properly fitting CJ7 corner, and cut out for female seat belt part.

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Driver side rear, showing the rear square cut outs for fixed base driver seat, and not fitting perfect CJ7 rear corner.

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I decided to trim the rear most corners of the aftermarket carpet to better fit the Scrambler floor boards. I started at the outer corner and worked my way toward the middle. I also cut off the carpet that went up the riser and is supposed to lay flat on the bulkhead lower lip. It does not fit well and I did not want it.

No magic, i just pushed it down how I wanted it to lay, marked it with a white Sharpie, cut a little, fit a little, cut a little. Pretty happy with how it came out.

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After getting the rear fitted, I cut the single piece of carpet into two pieces. I cut it roughly 9" back from where the front floor piece rises up, all the way across.

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Cutting the slits in the front and rear sections to clear the seat bases. I pulled measurements from the OEM carpet. These are rough cuts, I am sure they will require more fitting.

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Cutting out the holes for the female portion of the seat belts. The OEM cut out:

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And mine. I think I cut these a hair too big, but they should work out fine.

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All the pieces I cut off/out:

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spankrjs

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Overall shot:

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I want the carpet to fit around the shifter boots. Not super tight, I want a little slack.

So, I screwed the boots down through the top of the carpet:

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I traced around the boots with a black Sharpie:

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I do not want to cut out all the way to the black Sharpie line, that will be too much and leave just a thin strand of carpet between the two boots.

So, I used a white Sharpie and connected the screw holes. This will allow for a better fitment.

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I ended up cutting the carpet on the white lines, forgot to take a picture.

Still need to cut out the "squares" on the driver side to fit around the fixed seat base. Then, I can do final trims in the green Scrambler. Then, edge seam all the cuts, either/or liquid/glue and/or sewn on banding.

That's it for now.
 

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I've parted out several Wagoneers and the carpet is similar construction with the padding. Their seats all sit on top of the carpet and compress the padding. I would really prefer to not cut the carpet for the seat risers, and just bolt down through the padding. I can think of a plethora of ideas as to why this isnt a good idea, but I keep going back to the Waggys. Any thoughts? Maybe a 1/4" spacer to allow for a solid mount with compression of the padding?
 

spankrjs

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I've parted out several Wagoneers and the carpet is similar construction with the padding. Their seats all sit on top of the carpet and compress the padding. I would really prefer to not cut the carpet for the seat risers, and just bolt down through the padding. I can think of a plethora of ideas as to why this isnt a good idea, but I keep going back to the Waggys. Any thoughts? Maybe a 1/4" spacer to allow for a solid mount with compression of the padding?
On this particular aftermarket carpet in the Scrambler, no padding underneath the seat risers. The padding is only on the very front portions, driver and passenger foot wells and the transmission hump, just where the shifters are. No padding further back.

Bolting the seats down on top would be fine. The only concern with bolting the shifter boots on top of the carpet is that mud/water/cleaning the engine gunk always comes up between the transmission tunnel cover and the shifter boots. The insulation would be between the shifter boots and transmission tunnel cover and would get wet, mold, and stink. Keeping the tunnel/shifter boots sealed keeps the carpet insulation from getting funky.

The OEM carpet in my red Scrambler has NO padding anywhere, just thin carpet on the backing material. Even this thin layer is great at sound/heat absorption. I imagine the padding added to this after market carpet will be great in this regard.

My red Scrambler leads a much more interesting life then my green Scrambler. The ease of removing the OEM carpet for cleaning/drying out has spoiled me. My red Scrambler gets wheeled, full of mud/sand/water/rain, so quick easy removal of carpet makes sense.

In my green Scrambler, bolting the interior down on top of the carpet would have been OK. In reality, if the carpet gets wet, you could pull up the foot wells and rear, pin them up, let it dry out. These areas get wet the most, not the center.

The OEM carpet is a courser grade of material, and it dries out fast. I hose/pressure wash it sometimes in the summer if it gets real dirty. It will completely dry out overnight, if left hanging. But, it gets hot down here in the summer.

This aftermarket carpet is "nicer/plusher/softer", so probably not as durable/quickly drying as the OEM carpet, if you wheel a bunch. For my green Scrambler and how it is used, it will be fine. But, I just wanted the ability to remove the carpet fast, if need be.

Long winded response LOL. I will say one thing, for my uses, I would prefer the OEM carpet. It is just hard to find in good shape, correct transmission cut out, etc. It costs more, but I spent 8 hours cutting up this aftermarket carpet, and still not finished!!! So, a time saver, too.

I do like this ACC carpet, seems nice, fit great. Not the easiest thing to start cutting up brand new carpet, but I really wanted to replicate the OEM design. I will have to fit and finish it, see how it works out :fingerscrossed:
 

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On this particular aftermarket carpet in the Scrambler, no padding underneath the seat risers. The padding is only on the very front portions, driver and passenger foot wells and the transmission hump, just where the shifters are. No padding further back.

Bolting the seats down on top would be fine. The only concern with bolting the shifter boots on top of the carpet is that mud/water/cleaning the engine gunk always comes up between the transmission tunnel cover and the shifter boots. The insulation would be between the shifter boots and transmission tunnel cover and would get wet, mold, and stink. Keeping the tunnel/shifter boots sealed keeps the carpet insulation from getting funky.

The OEM carpet in my red Scrambler has NO padding anywhere, just thin carpet on the backing material. Even this thin layer is great at sound/heat absorption. I imagine the padding added to this after market carpet will be great in this regard.

My red Scrambler leads a much more interesting life then my green Scrambler. The ease of removing the OEM carpet for cleaning/drying out has spoiled me. My red Scrambler gets wheeled, full of mud/sand/water/rain, so quick easy removal of carpet makes sense.

In my green Scrambler, bolting the interior down on top of the carpet would have been OK. In reality, if the carpet gets wet, you could pull up the foot wells and rear, pin them up, let it dry out. These areas get wet the most, not the center.

The OEM carpet is a courser grade of material, and it dries out fast. I hose/pressure wash it sometimes in the summer if it gets real dirty. It will completely dry out overnight, if left hanging. But, it gets hot down here in the summer.

This aftermarket carpet is "nicer/plusher/softer", so probably not as durable/quickly drying as the OEM carpet, if you wheel a bunch. For my green Scrambler and how it is used, it will be fine. But, I just wanted the ability to remove the carpet fast, if need be.

Long winded response LOL. I will say one thing, for my uses, I would prefer the OEM carpet. It is just hard to find in good shape, correct transmission cut out, etc. It costs more, but I spent 8 hours cutting up this aftermarket carpet, and still not finished!!! So, a time saver, too.

I do like this ACC carpet, seems nice, fit great. Not the easiest thing to start cutting up brand new carpet, but I really wanted to replicate the OEM design. I will have to fit and finish it, see how it works out :fingerscrossed:
Thanks! I have the same ACC carpet but I’m not at the stage yet of putting it down. My Scrambler will be a fair weather cruiser, so no problems there.

I used a “trick” for shifter boots that let in mud. Find the most flexible boot that you can, that also fits the hole and shifter shaft snugly. Now install it upside down in the opening. The shift mechanism will probably collapse the boot but as long as you get full movement with no restriction, you’re good. The mud won’t get up into the floor pans, and the top boot is for looks and stays clean. I seem to remember the Mr Gasket boots were soft enough to work well for this.
 

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Decided to finish up this carpet install before starting to work on my red Scrambler.

One final mock up in Tommy's '84 SL, fits pretty well.

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A little bit tight here, just need to extend the slit, no big deal.

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Hard to follow these next pictures, but the dirty carpet in the red Scrambler is OEM carpet in my red Scrambler, that has a flip forward driver side seat base. I am measuring the cut outs on the driver side (OEM carpet comes cut/notched for both fixed seat bases and flip forward seat bases).

Driver side, outer two seat base bolts, note the cut outs in the OEM carpet to fit with the fixed base seat bracket. Left is to the front of the vehicle.

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Driver side, inner two mounting bolts, note the cut outs in the carpet for the fixed base seat frame. Bottom of picture is rear of seat frame.

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Driver side, outer, rear hole:

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Taking the two above dimensions, transferring them to a piece of tape on the ACC carpet.

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Rinse and repeat for the other three bolt hole locations.

Driver side front cut out:

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Inner side, rear hole:

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Inner side, front hole:

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I just got them "close", which is good enough. Even the OEM stuff is not 100% super tight fitting. These measurements/cut outs were close enough to get the carpet installed. I fine tuned the cut outs a bit later.
 

spankrjs

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The fixed driver side seat base installed in my 1983 Green Scrambler.

Inner seat riser bracket:

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Outer seat riser bracket:

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Rear carpet piece installed, needs a bit of trimming around the passenger seat bracket and the driver seat bracket:

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Once trimmed, fit is good:

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Test fitting front piece:

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I had to slit the front piece of carpet at the front edge past the transmission shifter to clear the AC drain line:

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Some minor trimming around the driver side seat base needed:

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After trimming, I am pretty happy with my little "arts and craft project". I would give myself a solid "B" rating. Not too bad for my first time trying to do something like this.

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I pulled the carpet back out after installing it. I am going to go back and "glue/seam seal" all my cut edges. On the long straight cuts, I am going to sew on edge banding. After that, finished. This was a bunch of work, probably 8-10 hours. OEM carpet is expensive, if you can find it, but it will drop right in. This ACC carpet was $200, plus a bunch of time to get it "how I wanted it". But, I can now easily remove/reinstall the carpet if it gets wet, without having to take the entire interior out. So, well worth it to me.

One last picture, shuffled the Jeeps around. Green one is on the "work" side, Tommy's '84 is on the "hurry up and get me out of here I am finished side"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That's it for now!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I used this stuff on the cut edges:

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Started off using my green Scrambler's tailgate/bed:

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Quickly realized I needed a bigger work bench!!

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The internet said this stuff dries clear, I sure hope so, or I am going to have very visible edges/cuts!!!!

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Moved back inside the garage before the rain came back:

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A few notes:

Latex based, so relatively easy clean up
You will get the crap all over
Put protection mats down
This stuff is running like Elmer's glue
Slow drying
I ran a bead at the base of edges
Cleans off skin easy enough
Hope it dries clear!!
Try not to have to move the carpet until glue dries

I am not an expert on carpet, I just figured the cut edges needed something to prevent unraveling/shedding. I also applied this stuff to the raw edges that came on the carpet from ACC.

Hope to get some edge band sewed on over the next few days. I am only going to edge band the long straight edges, NOT every cut edge.

Hope it works out, that's it for now :thumbsup:
 
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