- City
- Seattle
- State
- WA
Background
So I've decided to swap my 10" rear drums for 11". I have a hardtop and a backseat and like to be able to carry people and gear on expeditions, plus large tires, and sometimes I tow a boat right at the #2000 max towing capacity... therefore need brake upgrade(s). I plan to go in steps and do the experiment of noticing the effectiveness of different upgrades, as noted below. I know most people probably would just go rear disc. But I like that this swap doesn't require a MC swap, and some other things, including that many say the disc conversion parking brakes usually aren't very good. I was messaging with Moses Ludel back when he used to offer Q&A advice on his website, and he was very much a proponent of the effectiveness of drums (while still noting the drawbacks). He also mentioned that Prop Valve's have another function most don't realize; it engages the rear brakes just before the front kick in, to increase stability when braking.
Brake upgrades and effectiveness
(1) Dual diaphragm MC - I honestly did not notice a significant difference over my stock single-diaphragm (Or maybe my expectations were too high)
(2) Braided SS brake hoses - the idea is that the rubber hoses can swell a little under pressure. Also hard to notice the difference, but gives me peace of mind.
(3) 11" Rear Drums - in progress
(4) Aftermarket grooved front discs and hi-performance pads from EBC performance brakes. They say 20% stopping power. We shall see..
(5) Put surge brakes on the boat trailer so I don't have to do bigger conversions on the Jeep for towing purposes!
I will do (3) before I do (4) to notice the difference of just the 11" brakes. I'll do the experiment for you, so you don't have to ;-)
For the 11" swap
- Luckily the 11" parking brake cables (different mount style) are the same length, but otherwise swap right in. They are for a CJ7, but were never made specifically for a CJ8.
- Welded new "shoe pads" on the backing plates and grinded flat back to original height. There were deep grooves from 40+ years of use.
- Taking backing plates in for blasting and powder coating (today). Apparently powder coat is resistant to brake fluid (paint is not). Possible exception is that "Eastwood" makes an epoxy paint specifically designed to resist brake fluid. I considered a DIY job, but opted for power coat.
Pics to come...
So I've decided to swap my 10" rear drums for 11". I have a hardtop and a backseat and like to be able to carry people and gear on expeditions, plus large tires, and sometimes I tow a boat right at the #2000 max towing capacity... therefore need brake upgrade(s). I plan to go in steps and do the experiment of noticing the effectiveness of different upgrades, as noted below. I know most people probably would just go rear disc. But I like that this swap doesn't require a MC swap, and some other things, including that many say the disc conversion parking brakes usually aren't very good. I was messaging with Moses Ludel back when he used to offer Q&A advice on his website, and he was very much a proponent of the effectiveness of drums (while still noting the drawbacks). He also mentioned that Prop Valve's have another function most don't realize; it engages the rear brakes just before the front kick in, to increase stability when braking.
Brake upgrades and effectiveness
(1) Dual diaphragm MC - I honestly did not notice a significant difference over my stock single-diaphragm (Or maybe my expectations were too high)
(2) Braided SS brake hoses - the idea is that the rubber hoses can swell a little under pressure. Also hard to notice the difference, but gives me peace of mind.
(3) 11" Rear Drums - in progress
(4) Aftermarket grooved front discs and hi-performance pads from EBC performance brakes. They say 20% stopping power. We shall see..
(5) Put surge brakes on the boat trailer so I don't have to do bigger conversions on the Jeep for towing purposes!
I will do (3) before I do (4) to notice the difference of just the 11" brakes. I'll do the experiment for you, so you don't have to ;-)
For the 11" swap
- Luckily the 11" parking brake cables (different mount style) are the same length, but otherwise swap right in. They are for a CJ7, but were never made specifically for a CJ8.
- Welded new "shoe pads" on the backing plates and grinded flat back to original height. There were deep grooves from 40+ years of use.
- Taking backing plates in for blasting and powder coating (today). Apparently powder coat is resistant to brake fluid (paint is not). Possible exception is that "Eastwood" makes an epoxy paint specifically designed to resist brake fluid. I considered a DIY job, but opted for power coat.
Pics to come...
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