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1983 Jeep Scrambler issues

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Scramblerbert

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Hi Just joined Forum. This is a Father son build. I purchased the Scrambler from original owner in 1995 sold it in 2000. Son repurchased it 2 years ago. It had the 2.5 4 cylinder GM engine but now has a 304 AMC V-8 in it. Starting to work on it. Ist issue is power steering hoses shot. Took them to NAPA and no listing for them. Steering box is GM along with the pump. Pressure side hose has flair fitting on box side and o ring on pump side. They cannot make one up. Return hose has plain hose with clamps on both sides. But I will probably need the steel pipe coming out of box. They are researching it for me now. Any idea what hoses I need and from what series and year? Thanks for any help.
 
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I know that around 1980 and before CJ P/S setup that had the flare and later had the o-ring, so you might have to go back looking at parts for 76-80 ish CJ7 and see what you find?

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The pressure line into the power steer pump can be changed from oring to flare. Be careful when you take the larger fitting out as the valve behind that is on a spring and can pop out. Loosing those pieces isn't something you want to be hunting on the shop floor. The fittings come with PS pump usually. Junk yards could have them on any older P-pump wagoneers, chevy trucks, or cars?

This is what the fitting looks like. You can take yours off and see if looks the same or call them.
www.inlinetube.com

1964-77 GM Power Steering Pump Supply Hose Fitting 1pc

1964-77 GM Power Steering Pump Supply Hose Fitting 1pc
www.inlinetube.com www.inlinetube.com

Then you can buy PS hoses for older CJ7 that are flared and not oring on both ends. 4wp or quadratec would have them.
 
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Not sure this helps, as you would have to replace the box. As part of my restoration project, I replaced all of these. I used the box and hose part #s for my '82 Scrambler for a 258 and the P/S pump part # for the '79 CJ 304 that's in it. The 258's hoses work with the 305's pump and it's position.
 
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I know they make adapters where you can convert the o-ring to a flare fitting. But Napa should have a 3/8 compression fitting that clamps on steel 3/8 tube. They basically can “splice” the two different hoses together this way. I have had them do this for me before. Of course, your Napa has to have the capability to make hydraulic hoses.
 
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I did a GM TBI swap with the GM pump and Jeep steering gear. I used most of a replacement CJ power steering pressure hose and a compression fitting @Randyzzz mentioned above on about 10" of a factory 89 S10 power steering pressure hose.
 
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O.K. Makes sense as last owner had several jeeps and he must have had many parts kicking around. Well I will have to see if NAPA can make up the hose to do this and look for the o ring to flair adapter. I am going to check casting number on motor to get that recorded. My next issue will be the clutch slave setup. I replaced the entire setup in the 1990's and it is shot again. I assume the 304 engine just bolted up to the manual transmission bell housing that the truck came with. I do not believe he swapped that out.
 
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Scramblerbert

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Doing more research on line and I found an adapter made from brass that has the o ring end that fits into the pump and then the flare end of the power steering hose fits right in. I do not see the power steering hose from an earlier CJ with flare fitting that match my hose shape I took off the Jeep anywhere on line. What year CJ-7 would this hose be from? I will look it up under 4wp and Quatratrac. Thanks.
 
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You may be better off with a Hydraulic Hose shop than NAPA - someone that sells repair parts/hoses for equipment.
Nothing against NAPA but there are people that specialize in hoses
 
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Scramblerbert said:
Doing more research on line and I found an adapter made from brass that has the o ring end that fits into the pump and then the flare end of the power steering hose fits right in. I do not see the power steering hose from an earlier CJ with flare fitting that match my hose shape I took off the Jeep anywhere on line. What year CJ-7 would this hose be from? I will look it up under 4wp and Quatratrac. Thanks.
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The link I posted from qudratec was from a 77 CJ7. This is from rockauto for 77 w/ 304. https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=78998&cc=1309610&pt=7320&jsn=409
 
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O.K. More info. Went over to the Jeep today and pulled the return hose. Super tight under there. Went over to NAPA and we discovered that the pressure hose has been cobbled up. It is a 1980 or later o ring type end at the pump which says the Power steering pump (has two pulleys) is from that vintage. The other end has the o ring style cut off and last owner just single flared the end. Can see where it was done and not factory. My friend at NAPA spent several hours researching this mystery hose. We had a good laugh on this. He is going to order me a inverted flare hose on both ends as per your info. I found an adapter that has the o ring style on the side that fits into the pump and the back side has inverted flare. This should get me what I need. I gave him my return hose I pulled this morning to get me a new one. That is a inverted flare pipe that has a barb so I can just install a hose on it from there to the pump return. I am hoping the ends down at the box are tight bends as there is not much room to install them.
 
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Yes That is the hose NAPA ordered for me today. I will order an adapter so the 77 inverted flare high pressure hose can mate to the later steering pump. They ordered the return hose also and that came in so I have that. I looked over the motor and from a site it is a 304 AMC engine. Is there any way to zero in on the year of it. I will be ordering parts for that soon. I looked at the transmission and it is a 5 speed with reverse being located to the right and down. How can I determine what transmission it is? I will be pulling the clutch slave cylinder, hose and clutch master cylinder this weekend. Would that have been changed to accommodate the 304 V-8? The assembly looks like it is the one I did in the 1990's when the 4 cylinder was in there. Thanks.
 
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