How not to cross a river in a CJ-8 (or anything)

OGRES

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#3
That dude got EXACTLY what was coming to him. Its a shame that the river is now dirtier because of his dumb arse.
 

bigwalton

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#5
I'm very curious if the outcome ends up getting posted. That river was MOVING.

I just revisited the video and saw where the poster said that they got the driver to safety after the Jeep stopped moving, but he didn't explain where/how far/etc.

He also said that this guy made it across to the side where he started in this video while attached to a winch and this was him returning to the opposite side where he came from. I am assuming that he was hooked to the red Scrambler on the first go.
 

wm69

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#6
I'll do stupid crap like that on my old beater Honda ATV's. A Scrambler? No way.
 

bigwalton

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#7
Reply to my question on the video about where the Jeep is now: "it's still in the river and they are supposedly trying to remove it, if the owner cant remove it the BLM will do it and charge the owner"
 

ag4ever

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#9
A row of canoes and kayaks, and all they do is say, "That's what y'all get" :rolleyes:

Lots of faith in mankind there!

They could have taken a kayak and collected the junk floating out from the bed to prevent it from littering downstream. :rolleyes:
 

bigwalton

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A row of canoes and kayaks, and all they do is say, "That's what y'all get" :rolleyes:

Lots of faith in mankind there!

They could have taken a kayak and collected the junk floating out from the bed to prevent it from littering downstream. :rolleyes:
It's in the comments that they got the guy to safety after the Jeep stopped moving. What are they realistically going to do while it's moving in a rushing river? Good way to get more people in trouble IMO.

If they go shooting down the river to try to catch up to the stuff, try to recover it in a rushing river (questionable in a kayak and not particularly easy in an inflatable raft) and then try to get to a bank to get out/offload it, they could end up miles away. I, for one, wouldn't fault them for not trying to get the junk given the head start the stuff had in that river going like that. :shrug:
 

ag4ever

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It's in the comments that they got the guy to safety after the Jeep stopped moving. What are they realistically going to do while it's moving in a rushing river? Good way to get more people in trouble IMO.

If they go shooting down the river to try to catch up to the stuff, try to recover it in a rushing river (questionable in a kayak and not particularly easy in an inflatable raft) and then try to get to a bank to get out/offload it, they could end up miles away. I, for one, wouldn't fault them for not trying to get the junk given the head start the stuff had in that river going like that. :shrug:
I usually equate kayas to above average boating skills. Not guaranteed, but usually. It would not be hard to grab the 3 or 4 big items and corral them to the bank. I would not have suggested a kayak trying to rescue the Jeep or the operator. That is a good way to volunteer your life for theirs. That being said, I have rescued numerous less than skilled boat and jet ski operators on Texas lakes and rivers. I just think it is the right thing to do when you can safely.
 

bigwalton

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I usually equate kayas to above average boating skills. Not guaranteed, but usually. It would not be hard to grab the 3 or 4 big items and corral them to the bank. I would not have suggested a kayak trying to rescue the Jeep or the operator. That is a good way to volunteer your life for theirs. That being said, I have rescued numerous less than skilled boat and jet ski operators on Texas lakes and rivers. I just think it is the right thing to do when you can safely.
Not here in MI, you can rent kayaks anywhere and folks are forever getting into deep dookie in them.
 

don87401

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I am a rafter. They say in the post they had made camp and was sitting when this happened. If they and launched any boat to try and recover the stuff they would have down stream so far when they caught up with they would not have been able to get back to camp and collect their equipment to continue their trip. I live with in a 100 miles of the Delores, I have not rafted it just never caught it at the right timein my scedule , but I do know the speed of it in that section and I would not have tried to go get their stuff either. I may pick up it in an eddy on the way down tomorrow and try and get it back to them I would not have ruined my trip over it.
 

ag4ever

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#17
Understood, still feel the comments were, well unkind.

One day they will be on the lens side of the camera.
 

Moabite

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#19
Sorry folks, but I do fault the boaters for standing there and doing nothing. My immediate inclination would have been to get a life jacket or some type of flotation device out to the guy. Maybe he couldn't swim. Who knows? Forget the flotsam in the river. So what if you end up a few hundred yards below your camp? It would not have been that hard to get back or have your friends bring your gear down to you. I've been boating the Colorado, Green, and Dolores for 40 years. If you see anyone in distress, you do your best to help them. It's that simple. We have had at least 10 river rescues in Moab in the last few weeks, including one yesterday. In almost every instance, lives were saved because other boaters stepped up to help. If you really want to ruin your trip, stand by and watch someone drown.

Here's a better example of human nature: No such thing as being Off-Duty . These guys had the subject on dry land by the time I arrived within 10 minutes after we were paged.
 
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bigwalton

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Sorry folks, but I do fault the boaters for standing there and doing nothing. My immediate inclination would have been to get a life jacket out to the guy. Maybe he couldn't swim. Who knows? Forget the flotsam in the river. So what if you end up a few hundred yards below your camp? It would not have been that hard to get back or have your friends bring your gear down to you. I've been boating the Colorado, Green, and Dolores for 40 years. If you see anyone in distress, you do your best to help them. It's that simple. We have had at least 10 river rescues in Moab in the last few weeks, including one yesterday. In almost every instance, lives were saved because other boaters stepped up to help. If you really want to ruin your trip, stand by and watch someone drown.

Here's a better example of human nature: No such thing as being Off-Duty . These guys had the subject on dry land by the time I arrived within 10 minutes after we were paged.
We've established that they did help when the Jeep stopped.

But your comment is said with your 40 years of experience in kayaking and rescues, right? With my kayaking experience, I would never agree with you because I'd be fearful of putting my life in danger.

If the post you linked ended up with one of the rescuers being killed as well, would you use it as an example? Great that they had (and you have) the experience to say you'd rush right out to a floating Jeep in a fast-moving river, but I still wouldn't. I don't feel bad for saying I wouldn't potentially make a very bad situation worse until I had a feeling it was one that I could handle.
 
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