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Pappy's Adventure - 1981 restomod

TimmyTooTall

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Howdy everybody. After drooling over Scramblers for the past couple years I finally pulled the trigger. Meet Pappy. 1981 base model. 258/SR4. Very good condition frame and a only a few rust holes in the floor board area. The previous owners wife wasn't a fan of the Copper Brown and painted (just the exterior lol) yellow. It's growing on me a bit. It was in decent running condition when I purchased it.

It soon developed a coolant leak. It was spitting out of the overflow vent tube up by the cap. We initially replaced the thermostat at gasket thinking the thermostat wasn't opening. Didn't solve the issue. Ended up pulling the radiator. We flushed it and then let it sit in a CLR soak for a few hours before bolting everything back together. Replaced the cap and upper/lower hoses as well. No leaks out of the overflow vent tube but pretty sure the CLR soak made things worse as it developed a lot of pin hole leaks across the top lol. Live and learn. It sat idle until we towed it home. We just put in a new Champion Radiator in it. No issues with the main cooling lines but the bypass hose that goes to the intake manifold split where it was clamped. Old hose so waiting to get a replacement for that one.

My initial goal is education and clean up. This is my first CJ. My father in law had a CJ5 in college and is as excited as I am to be working on one again. There is an inch of grease and gunk on the chassis near the back of the transfer case. Plan to scrape everything off and purple power the $#!+ so we can see where any future leaks are coming from. All the ujoints are shot. The front drive shaft slip yoke is shot, lots of play. Also need to take the wheels off and inspect the brakes. Came with power brakes from the factory and stops decently fine just need to get a baseline.

Other issues that are on the to do diagnostic list are
Blower motor doesn't work. Haven't dug into that at all whether it's a fuse or power issue or the motor itself
A light rough idle on cold start up. Bought the jeep in CO and has been CO it's whole life. Running a bit rich as well and will tackle both of those soon.
Compression check just to get a baseline. All the plugs looked good when pulled.
There is a squeaking noise in the clutch. Clutch pushed in and in gear you can hear it as well as anytime accelerating under medium load.

Now the vision. Nothing extreme but definitely more capable. We wheel primarily in Colorado but have ventured out to Moab, Hot Springs, Hidden Falls ect. Want to build it to be a capable trail rig not a rock crawler. The narrow trac axles will have to be replaced one day. It currently has 33s with stock 3.31 gears which leaves a lot to be desired acceleration wise. Full cage to protect my little man who's already a great helper on the repairs so far. It came with a full acme hard top and the original half cab and bulkhead. I'm partial to a soft top and would like one eventually.

Life is crazy and will no doubt get crazier so it'll be a slow process but the journey is half the fun. Looking forward to learning more about these vehicles and having a good time.

And for those curious why Pappy... he's old and cantankerous at times. And I really like bourbon.

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Chamba

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Great looking ride, always great to have qualified help. Welcome to the madness.

I've got the ECGS axles on mine to replace the factory narrow tracks. I cannot say enough good things about them.
 

TimmyTooTall

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Lots to update over the last couple months. Lots of scrubbing, a little frustration. This is my first old car and I'm finding out real fast as soon as you get one thing back together another falls apart. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Gave the rear brakes a refresh. The drums were grooved badly. It stops much better now. Will do the fronts soon and looking forward to more improvement.

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TimmyTooTall

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Here's where I start finding out one thing leads to another. Went to fire up Pappy for the brake test drive and the battery died. I decided to go with a larger group 34 battery. While I was at it I removed the battery tray for a clean up and some rustoleum. Got it all buttoned back up and set out to break the brakes in. While I was out the coolant line from the block to the heater core sprung a leak.... :ROFLMAO:

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While I had the front section apart to replace the heater core line and degrease the front section of the engine decided to replace the power steering pump and pulley. The pulley was bent and wobbling a lot and the pump was starting to make whining noise after it warmed up. This was a bit frustrating as there's no OE reproduction of the stock pulley I could find. I ended up with a Dorman 300-121. However it's not perfect, You can't press it all the way on the pump shaft because it would block the mounting bolt access. So this pulley is 2/3s the way pressed on the shaft. We'll see if that develops any issues in the long run. Plan on trying to get my OE pulley trued by a machine shop at some point.

Alternator belt - oreillys mastercraft 7435
Power steering belt - oreillys mastercraft 7465


 

TimmyTooTall

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That's about it as far as work that's been done so far. Next up on the must do list is the fuel lines around the tank. When I fill up the tank the vent lines going to the roll over check valve are cracked and leaking. Got new filler tubes as well.

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Found a good deal on some YJ half doors. And I have an order in for a new B-D fast trac soft top. Very excited about both.

Still planning on dropping the transmission and transfer case this winter. I want to finish degreasing the belly around those areas as well as new clutch and seals on both.

My coffee time this morning has me wondering what direction to take with the axles. My goal is to develop Pappy into a capable trail rig. The stock 3.31 gears need swapping. New ECGS axles are not in the budget at this time. Do I swap out the two piece shafts, toss in a truetrac and 4.56 gears to at least get me capable on the trails? Or do I hold off and bite the bullet later down the road. I'm not a welder/fabricator so junkyard axles are a bit over my capabilities. Lots to ponder....

I finish off this with a few pics of my trail buddy. He loves going to the garage with me and insists on "helping" any chance he can get. Lots of memories to be made in the back country with him and his future brother.

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Until the next update.... cheers.

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Chamba

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I'd save your money doing anything at all on your narrow tracks: you'll never be happy with them if you're planning any kind of a wheeler. Any rubber larger than 31" will rub with any flexing at all. You simply can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
 

TimmyTooTall

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I'd save your money doing anything at all on your narrow tracks: you'll never be happy with them if you're planning any kind of a wheeler. Any rubber larger than 31" will rub with any flexing at all. You simply can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
That seems to be the consensus. Even on the street I rub at full lock.
 

Chamba

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My 8 with the 60.5" wide axles is a whole new rig: not just flexing but road manners, stability, braking (due to 4 wheel discs obviously, nothing to do the width).

The Front Range has loads of options for sourcing wide tracks from an 8 or a 7. At the very least, get a set of those. Then you can rebuild them at your leisure on a bench and simply bolt them in when they are done. That would be money well spent.
 
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sdsupilot

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@Chamba and I have similar setups. I am a couple inches wider and went the junkyard route. I agree that the axles made it a whole different vehicle.

My Jeep is and 81 and also had narrow track axles. I ran 2” spacers front and rear and threw a lunchbox locker in the front. This kept me happy while I built my 44/60. I would always recommend building new axles to swap in as you will not miss out on as much drive time.
 

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Welcome! Missed this the first time around. Love the photos with the kiddo, reminds me of when mine was that age.

CLR: I got some CLR to do a heater core flush in the kid's XJ because I'd seen it mentioned somewhere, but I'm glad I read the warnings before I tried it because it tells you not to use it on brass and/or aluminum.

Wire wheel in an angle grinder: Do yourself a favor now: gift yourself an angle grinder with a wire wheel. I dedicate a cheap part store brand one for this because I use it ALL THE TIME. That drill with a wheel in it will take you an ETERNITY in comparison on your part cleanup and you'll do a better job overall in getting the rust off. Get a face shield as well.

Axles:
Agree not to spend a dime more than the fluid change on those narrow traks. Find someone selling off a set of WT axles that are ready to bolt in. You'll find them cheap from people looking to upgrade. Then you can sell off yours as they are to make a few bucks back. And to @sdsupilot's point, you can clean them up and take care of any issues without taking your CJ off the road. Then take a day and do the swap. Done and done and you save a ton of money.

Even if you ultimately want to go bigger than a 30/20 combo, this is the easiest way to get SOME of what you want while waiting to get the final setup. And when you go bigger still, do the same thing and get those axles ready while you run the Jeep.

This is the perfect example:
I've got a set of wide track OEM 4.10's sitting in my garage up for grabs...if anyone were interested. I could throw in the wide track shock towers too.
 

TimmyTooTall

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Welcome! Missed this the first time around. Love the photos with the kiddo, reminds me of when mine was that age.

CLR: I got some CLR to do a heater core flush in the kid's XJ because I'd seen it mentioned somewhere, but I'm glad I read the warnings before I tried it because it tells you not to use it on brass and/or aluminum.

Wire wheel in an angle grinder: Do yourself a favor now: gift yourself an angle grinder with a wire wheel. I dedicate a cheap part store brand one for this because I use it ALL THE TIME. That drill with a wheel in it will take you an ETERNITY in comparison on your part cleanup and you'll do a better job overall in getting the rust off. Get a face shield as well.

Axles:
Agree not to spend a dime more than the fluid change on those narrow traks. Find someone selling off a set of WT axles that are ready to bolt in. You'll find them cheap from people looking to upgrade. Then you can sell off yours as they are to make a few bucks back. And to @sdsupilot's point, you can clean them up and take care of any issues without taking your CJ off the road. Then take a day and do the swap. Done and done and you save a ton of money.

Even if you ultimately want to go bigger than a 30/20 combo, this is the easiest way to get SOME of what you want while waiting to get the final setup. And when you go bigger still, do the same thing and get those axles ready while you run the Jeep.

This is the perfect example:
Thanks for the welcome!

Great points! Yea I obviously missed the fine print on the CLR :ROFLMAO:
Got an angle grinder. Didn't think about using it with a wire wheel. Indeed much faster I'm sure. (y)
I've already been talking with @93_Fummins above about his axles. Seems like the route to take and it's gonna be a great learning process as well. I'm confident the 30/20 will work for our type of wheeling for many years. Just those dang narrow tracs.... Knew they would be an issue but Pappy had a solid frame/body/motor and was a good deal regardless that fact.
 

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Oh, and I’m all about the Pappy VanWinkle reference. Find some Old Scout Smooth Ambler if you haven’t already tried it. I was turned into it as a great Pappy taste-alike for incredibly reasonable money.
 

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Oh, and I’m all about the Pappy VanWinkle reference. Find some Old Scout Smooth Ambler if you haven’t already tried it. I was turned into it as a great Pappy taste-alike for incredibly reasonable money.
Thanks for the recommendation. My wife bought a bottle yesterday. While I don’t think it has the same flavor profile as Pappy, it is a very nice bourbon. Way spicier than Pappy, but still very nice. The closest bourbon to Pappy is regular Weller. I have tried dozens of different bourbons in search of a good Pappy fill-in. None can compare. I have had the 15, 20, and 23. My favorite has been the 20. Pappy is a wheated mash bill, in my opinion this gives it the distinctive mellow flavor profile. It is also why I think Weller is the closest comparison (the original wheated bourbon). My next favorite is Jefferson’s Wheated Ocean Aged (I like it more than Weller, but not near as much as Pappy).

Hyjack off, build on.
 

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Thanks for the recommendation. My wife bought a bottle yesterday. While I don’t think it has the same flavor profile as Pappy, it is a very nice bourbon. Way spicier than Pappy, but still very nice. The closest bourbon to Pappy is regular Weller. I have tried dozens of different bourbons in search of a good Pappy fill-in. None can compare. I have had the 15, 20, and 23. My favorite has been the 20. Pappy is a wheated mash bill, in my opinion this gives it the distinctive mellow flavor profile. It is also why I think Weller is the closest comparison (the original wheated bourbon). My next favorite is Jefferson’s Wheated Ocean Aged (I like it more than Weller, but not near as much as Pappy).

Hyjack off, build on.
She didn’t get the Contradiction, did she?

I wouldn’t call Old Scout spicy at all :shrug:

This recommendation as a Pappy replacement came from a member here, Peter Vera — @ineedajeep — with a family-run, multi-generational liquor store. They got all the Pappy releases and “rare” bottles and he’s the one that gave me my first Pappy’s and he’s got more experience (and a better personal collection) with bourbon than anyone I’ve ever met.

Edit: sorry for the continued hijack! I get excited by bourbon as much as Scramblers!
 

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With “Pappy” I decided to jump in… I prefer the 12 year Vanwinkle at 90 proof… I have a friend that follows this recipe, sorta restomod for Pappy bourbon
 

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She didn’t get the Contradiction, did she?

I wouldn’t call Old Scout spicy at all :shrug:

This recommendation as a Pappy replacement came from a member here, Peter Vera — @ineedajeep — with a family-run, multi-generational liquor store. They got all the Pappy releases and “rare” bottles and he’s the one that gave me my first Pappy’s and he’s got more experience (and a better personal collection) with bourbon than anyone I’ve ever met.

Edit: sorry for the continued hijack! I get excited by bourbon as much as Scramblers!
Smooth Ambler. I’ll post a photo of the label. They do have several versions of smooth ambler, this is the bourbon variety.

Right there with you on the excitement. Between scramblers, guns, and bourbon, that is 90% of my vices. Only other is my ski boat addiction.
 
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