Trying to be a Scrambler? Stretched CJ10

bigwalton

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I'm so torn.

First, that is the one and only Jeep front end that I've ever actually liked with a YJ grille and I actually LOVE it. Maybe it's because he included photos without the 10a headlight holes filled (which looks AWFUL) but with them filled, all those fender lines fit the square headlights PERFECTLY. I can't stop looking at that front end!

From there, the idea is great, but I can't get past the proportions of the bed. I struggle with what I think is the "right" height for the bedside on these kinds of CJ trucks. What he did "matches" the cab height, but the length of the bed ends up making it look simply too short. Our guy @certifiablejeep NAILED the proportions of length to height in his truck build to make that height work, this is a miss to me.

I still think it's cool as crap, but I would never be able to own it with those proportions. Maybe I'd try adding a wooden bed rail (even more Scrambler-esque) to try to mitigate that somewhat, that might do the trick :shrug:

Cool find, glad this got posted here. Photos and listing below for posterity (I HAD to fix the spelling on elusive :rotfl:)

"The (elusive) Jeep CJ-10 is one that even most die-hard Jeep enthusiasts have never heard of. It shares the doors with the Jeep Overlander (CJ-8 Scrambler with a full-steel hardtop… I’ve got one of those roofs, too). Both are in a category called the World Cab. Notice the upper corners of the door-glass frames are not rounded off like typical CJs we see here in the United States. Also, unlike a CJ-8 Scrambler, the CJ-10 has a stand-alone cab, and separate bed. These Jeeps were built in the U.S., but exclusively for export markets to compete with vehicles such as the Toyota Land Cruiser FJ-45, and Land Rover pickups. The U.S. Military also commissioned AMC/Jeep to build some CJ-10a Airport Tugs to tote aircraft around various bases throughout the world. They share the same World Cab with the pickup, but were built on an extremely short-wheelbase, 2-wheel-drive frame with a giant steel-plate weight placed directly behind the cab for traction on the tarmac. They are not very practical for anything other than their intended built-purpose, and only go about 25 miles per hour top speed (they’re more of a tractor than anything else). The CJ-10 pickups, however, were built on the full-size J-series Gladiator/Wagoneer frames, so in keeping with trying to build an authentic clone/replica of a CJ-10, I mounted this CJ-10a cab onto a J-series, 4-wheel-drive truck frame, had a custom bed fabricated by the fabulously talented Mr. Travis Forcier, and we built just what you see here. I personally don’t love the look of the factory grill or bed on the actual CJ-10 pickups, so I took a little bit of artist’s-liberty and changed a few details. I still wanted this to look as much like something that could’ve been a production, factory-built Jeep as possible, so I specked out the bed to have the same curvature as the rear tub of a CJ-5,7,8, and used an actual Jeep Wrangler grill & taillights. I went with the rectangular headlight version, because the CJ-10 has these rectangular lights in its fenders, and mixing/matching round with rectangular just didn’t look right to my eyes. I retained the original fender-bezels if a purist ever wants to put this thing back to stock, original… but found a 2nd set to modify and fill-in for what I felt was a cleaner look. Of course, an original, or round-headlight CJ grill could always be re-installed if you prefer that look. BOTH sets are included with the vehicle. The way it’s set up now, a TJ grill could even be used (if you want round headlights, with a more modern look). Some people just despise the rectangular headlights in Jeeps, but this is a wild-animal (a unicorn, you might say). Any direction you go with it, it’s going to be unique and awesome. The paint-color I chose closely approximates the 2018 Jeep color, Cosmos Blue.

The bed is completely hand-built from all brand-new thick-gauge steel. I coated the inside of it with super-durable spray-in bedliner, as well as the entire cab-floor, for a true hose-out interior if you climb in with muddy boots or sink it in a swamp. I made a vinyl headliner for the roof which adds some sound-proofing. The top comes off, as do the doors and the windshield folds forward for open-air driving if you like that sort of fun. The steering-linkage is all hooked up, and in working order, and both axles are fully attached with driveshafts running to the super heavy-duty divorced Twin-Stick 4x4 Transfer-Case. Practically any engine & transmission from any 2-wheel-drive vehicle could be set right into place, and mated to the drivetrain with a stubby driveshaft going to the transfer-case (I have the little driveshaft, and will include with the purchase of the vehicle). Currently it’s got heavy-duty Dana 60 and 70 axles with 5:87 ratio which is great for off-road and rock-crawling, but not for highway-cruising. The way it sits, a high-revving small-block V8 would be a great engine-choice… otherwise, my personal plan was to install a Cummins 4BT or 6AT diesel (both of which I have on hand) in it, and swap out the axles for some brand new 3:08 Blazer CUCV units that I picked up Military Surplus. I can include those axles for an additional cost, but otherwise the vehicle comes just as you see it. The transfer case has a working hand-brake (parking-brake), but the rest of the brakes are not yet hooked up to the brake-pedal. There is a removable plate in the floorboard which could serve to either install an automatic, or a manual transmission (your choice).

Some years back, the aftermarket-company called “Brute” started building a kit to turn Wranglers into pickups. I fell in love with the concept, but they were just so expensive, it was cost-prohibitive. Now, finally just this year Jeep came out with a Gladiator pickup (I believe the first one since the 1980s). I’ve got a super-rare factory turbo-diesel 1986 Comanche, as well, but people have been clamoring for Jeep to make a pickup truck once again for many years! Of course, a new Jeep pickup is still out of most folks’ price-range (including mine). Perhaps one day they’ll depreciate in value, and regular folks can afford one, but I predict that it’s gonna be a while... also, they're only available in 4-door crew-cab configuration, which not everybody needs.

In the mean time… if you want a build that you can finish YOUR way, I’ve really done all of the hard work here. This radical truck is most of the way completed. All the body work is done, and it’s a roller with axles, driveshafts, and transfer-case already in place! It would not take much to put this thing on the road. The only thing I can possibly think of to apologize for is that the body-filler on the driver’s side of the bed surrounding the fuel-filler neck developed some cracks after I cut it in, and installed the spout-surround. I do have more paint to go with the vehicle, and that portion of the truck could certainly be re-done, and re-painted easily enough. Otherwise, everything has been done A#1 top quality with extreme attention-to-detail in every way. I built this thing with the idea that I was going to keep it for myself ‘til the day I die, but then life got busy, and things changed (I’ve accidentally got baby number 3 on the way now, and the family won’t fit in a single-cab pickup). I absolutely hate to see this thing go, but that’s where I’m at with life at this stage. My loss is your gain. I just hope to see this rig go to a real Jeep enthusiast who can truly appreciate it for what it is. I guarantee, you will have a lot of unintended conversations with strangers/admirers everywhere you go with it at gas-stations and such!

If you have any more questions, want more photos of the build as I progressed, or of any close-up areas specifically, feel free to message me through eBay. I’ve got a good, clean title, registered in my name for this truck, eBay rejected it's actual VIN# 3V0TA24XXFM001093, so I had to just put 00000000000000000. It says CJ-10 right on the title (not CJ-10a like the airport tractors). It was originally powered by a factory diesel engine, so it’s 50-state emissions exempt no matter what engine you put in it (even a big-block Gas V8), and reflects diesel right on the title. No diesel cars or pickups were regulated in 1986 in the U.S. for emissions. That leaves you a lot of freedom to finish it out however you like. "

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Drahcir495

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Thank you for saving it for posterity (y) .
I agree with you on filling in the fender lights, really completes the look. Now I see the bed height. I would have liked them a bit taller, but it is really nicely done. It’s funny you think it’s too short. I think it looks too long :geek: . I like the axle combo, but wouldn’t want that low of gearing. Overall, I would slap in a crate motor and a five speed, I would be very happy with it!
 
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bigwalton

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Thank you for saving it for posterity (y) .
I agree with you on filling in the fender lights, really completes the look. Now I see the bed height. I would have liked them a bit taller, but it is really nicely done. It’s funny you think it’s too short. I think it looks too long :geek: . I like the axle combo, but wouldn’t want that low of gearing. Overall, I would slap in a crate motor and five speed and be very happy with it!
:rotfl: short meaning height, I should have been more clear. The bed height is too short for how long it is.
 

certifiablejeep

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I actually saw this when posted and thought the front end was a chubby YJ... it seems to take the skinniness out of the YJ and add a more plump look, but it does seem to take it next level and make it look good.

As for the bed, I was OK until the rear... the tailgate area is where I have an issue... also just proportions with the rollbar and overall length.

But then again, I see one that I happen to like when I go in the garage every day, so I am definitely not the person that should be judging... I can't even get mine done ;)

cb
 

designerRob

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Personally I don't like the filled in front fenders. I think it would have looked better with the lights in the fenders along with the YJ lights/grille. Also, the bed looks like a basic metal box tacked onto the back, and it's proportionally too long. Certifiablejeep's is WAY nicer imo. 😀

I think what @certifiablejeep is doing on his build is spot on when it comes to integrating the classic CJ style with a separate bed. 👍
 
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bigwalton

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Yeah, the tailgate is a no-go for me too but secondary to the overall bed proportions.
 

Kim Dawson

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Someone put a lot of work into making a bed of their own design with the Jeep logo on the tailgate. Bed matches height of the cab with top removed. The metal craftsman didn't try to copy any part of how Jeep built the bed. We, on this site, are more Jeep minded and probably prefer our Jeep modifications to look more like something Jeep would have or could have done. If the top edge of the bed had been the same shape as CJs then it would have worked nicely for a tonneau cover which, IMHO, would have looked nice. A Jeep tailgate with proper support on each side would have been nice. I like that the wheel well boxes were narrower but rounded corners would have been nice. We all have our own preferences. I like the way Craig is doing his. If I saw this truck bed on the back of an old Chevy or Dodge or International, I'd say good job.
 

certifiablejeep

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Someone put a lot of work into making a bed of their own design with the Jeep logo on the tailgate. Bed matches height of the cab with top removed. The metal craftsman didn't try to copy any part of how Jeep built the bed. We, on this site, are more Jeep minded and probably prefer our Jeep modifications to look more like something Jeep would have or could have done. If the top edge of the bed had been the same shape as CJs then it would have worked nicely for a tonneau cover which, IMHO, would have looked nice. A Jeep tailgate with proper support on each side would have been nice. I like that the wheel well boxes were narrower but rounded corners would have been nice. We all have our own preferences. I like the way Craig is doing his. If I saw this truck bed on the back of an old Chevy or Dodge or International, I'd say good job.
Excellent point on the top bed edge... I wanted to retain that... "just in case" I wanted to adapt soft top parts to make a tonneau, or perhaps a "tent" for camping... all ideas I had, but being able to use existing materials that already work was forefront in my mind.

Also in my mind was to recycle as much as I can of the Jeeps/parts that I have and not scrap them if I can help it.

cb
 
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