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Will turn over but not start....

ChopChop

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Houston
State
TX
Guys, went to drive the Scram yesterday morning and I could not get it to start. I checked the carb and could not see and fuel being discharged into the card when turning over.... I believe the problem lies from the fuel pump to the fuel filter. Can someone shine some light on the subject?
 
does it have gas?? fuel gauges only work 25 percent of the time.. clogged filter... collapsed 30 year old fuel line... lots of things.. do easy stuff first add fuel to the carb see if it starts that way then work your way back..
 
Guys, went to drive the Scram yesterday morning and I could not get it to start. I checked the carb and could not see and fuel being discharged into the card when turning over.... I believe the problem lies from the fuel pump to the fuel filter. Can someone shine some light on the subject?

If we are talking about a mechanical fuel pump. I have had this problem before.
First step is to disconnect fuel line from input of fuel filter.
Insert the end of the hose into a temporary approved fuel container ;)
Crank engine.
Check if fuel transferred into container.
If so, you need to check for problems with filter/carb.
If not, disconnect hose from fuel tank to fuel pump.
Install hose of proper size and length to run from a temporary can of gas to the input side of fuel pump.
Crank motor.
If fuel didn't transfer then your pump is bad.
If adequate fuel transferred into the original temporary fuel container your fuel pump is at least good enough to start your engine. The problem is between the tank and the fuel pump.
Could be clogged in-tank filter. Pickup in tank with hole above fuel level sucking air. Clogged fuel line. Or what mine turned out to be... the rubber fuel line between the steel lines on the frame at the tank and the tank pickup were rotten so the fuel pump was sucking air ahead of the tank.
Of course this is assuming your fuel gauge works, and you actually have fuel in the tank. :eek:
 
If we are talking about a mechanical fuel pump. I have had this problem before.
First step is to disconnect fuel line from input of fuel filter.
Insert the end of the hose into a temporary approved fuel container ;)
Crank engine.
Check if fuel transferred into container.
If so, you need to check for problems with filter/carb.
If not, disconnect hose from fuel tank to fuel pump.
Install hose of proper size and length to run from a temporary can of gas to the input side of fuel pump.
Crank motor.
If fuel didn't transfer then your pump is bad.
If adequate fuel transferred into the original temporary fuel container your fuel pump is at least good enough to start your engine. The problem is between the tank and the fuel pump.
Could be clogged in-tank filter. Pickup in tank with hole above fuel level sucking air. Clogged fuel line. Or what mine turned out to be... the rubber fuel line between the steel lines on the frame at the tank and the tank pickup were rotten so the fuel pump was sucking air ahead of the tank.
Of course this is assuming your fuel gauge works, and you actually have fuel in the tank. :eek:
Just saved me from writing it, and you said it better.
 
Shoot some carb cleaner in the carb. You can actually run the engine by squirting a shot every 3 - 4 seconds or so.

If you have determined for sure that no gas is in the carb, then the most likely things are a fuel pump or dirty fuel filter. Also, do you actually have gas in the tank?

Good news is fuel pump and filter are cheap and easy to replace.
 
I am having the same problem, Was running then a couple days later went to start it and all it did was crank over, I have fuel ,pulled the filter from carb to make sure, and I have fuel getting to the carb and it is working norm with acceleration , I hadn't done anything to it. But I did check for spark, and no spark. I have power going to coil. Since my ohm meter found somewhere else to go I could not do a ohm check. so i replaced the coil and i am getting the same thing, no spark. At the coil or spark plugs. I did run a wire from the positive side of the battery to the + side of the coil and tried to turn it over to check if it was the ignition switch on the column, I also did a tapping on the ignition module to see if it would kick . But noting .. yes I may sound like i have no clue. I got the jeep from my cousin that passed away , and he had someone not knowing much . about it imo. because they unhooked the pulse air air cleaner was not on it. they had a small air cleaner on it I do have the original air cleaner., and changed a lot of the vacuums in other words someone was taking him for a ride while he was sick :/ When he passed i had to go get it. It was running, but now this is new problem to me. :/ and honestly my first pulse air , / Jeep I ever owned. I do have a chiltons manual , But looking for some kind of insight here. It seems to be a mess under the hood with vac. plugged off and , going different places. according to the vac. diagrams. It is a original California jeep. I would Like to get it back to a at least like it supposed to be. Uggg . Signed frustrated and discouraged :(
 
Could be as simple as the wire from the coil to the distributor is bad or the distributor cap or rotor is bad, or the coil is shot. Sounds like you have juice to the coil but nothing coming out of it... I would try the wire first, its the cheapest. next I'd change the cap/rotor then the coil. You know what ever you do it will be the last thing you replace..


I am having the same problem, Was running then a couple days later went to start it and all it did was crank over, I have fuel ,pulled the filter from carb to make sure, and I have fuel getting to the carb and it is working norm with acceleration , I hadn't done anything to it. But I did check for spark, and no spark. I have power going to coil. Since my ohm meter found somewhere else to go I could not do a ohm check. so i replaced the coil and i am getting the same thing, no spark. At the coil or spark plugs. I did run a wire from the positive side of the battery to the + side of the coil and tried to turn it over to check if it was the ignition switch on the column, I also did a tapping on the ignition module to see if it would kick . But noting .. yes I may sound like i have no clue. I got the jeep from my cousin that passed away , and he had someone not knowing much . about it imo. because they unhooked the pulse air air cleaner was not on it. they had a small air cleaner on it I do have the original air cleaner., and changed a lot of the vacuums in other words someone was taking him for a ride while he was sick :/ When he passed i had to go get it. It was running, but now this is new problem to me. :/ and honestly my first pulse air , / Jeep I ever owned. I do have a chiltons manual , But looking for some kind of insight here. It seems to be a mess under the hood with vac. plugged off and , going different places. according to the vac. diagrams. It is a original California jeep. I would Like to get it back to a at least like it supposed to be. Uggg . Signed frustrated and discouraged :(
 
Is trhis an epidemic? I had to leave my Scram at home today. Third time in a week that I have been left stranded. At least the last two were while the Jeep was in the driveway. THe first two times it was after driving, then shutting it off and trying to restart within 15-30 minutes. After letting it sit overnight, Vroo=m, started right up. THis morning, the preconditions changed because it had been sitting since I got home from work last night. In fact, at around 8 PM I started it up when I added coolant to the radiator and let it run for about 15-20 minutes. I know that fuel is getting into the carb. And in fact this morning I added fuel to the carb but still no luck. THis problem is sporadic and I DON'T LIKE IT! I really don't want it to leave me stranded while I am not at home (or close to home). And I don't have the cash for a TBI/EFI swap.
 
Is trhis an epidemic? I had to leave my Scram at home today. Third time in a week that I have been left stranded. At least the last two were while the Jeep was in the driveway. THe first two times it was after driving, then shutting it off and trying to restart within 15-30 minutes. After letting it sit overnight, Vroo=m, started right up. THis morning, the preconditions changed because it had been sitting since I got home from work last night. In fact, at around 8 PM I started it up when I added coolant to the radiator and let it run for about 15-20 minutes. I know that fuel is getting into the carb. And in fact this morning I added fuel to the carb but still no luck. THis problem is sporadic and I DON'T LIKE IT! I really don't want it to leave me stranded while I am not at home (or close to home). And I don't have the cash for a TBI/EFI swap.

put a dui in it..
 
:rolleyes:
I will research that. I have no clue. How can I tell?


Dain

Opening the gas cap in a vapor lock situation you should hear a big rush of air "into" the tank, not the normal "shhhsh" sound when everything is working and you open the gas cap... trust me, it sounds much better in my head as I can actually hear these noises! :rolleyes:
 
So if it is a vapor lock issue, would it help to start the Jeep if I take the gas cap off if it won't start the first time?

When I have a really ow tank and go to fill it up, I do hear a loud rush of air going into the tank.


Dain
 
So if it is a vapor lock issue, would it help to start the Jeep if I take the gas cap off if it won't start the first time?

When I have a really ow tank and go to fill it up, I do hear a loud rush of air going into the tank.


Dain
My buddy had the same problem with his '83. It was worse after a fill up because it would pull a vacuum quicker.(less air in tank)
Like posted above, you will here the air drawing into the tank. Try loosening the cap and then starting, or run without the cap for a while to see how it does. After setting for a while it would start again because the pressure had time to equalize.
I found his vent line to the tank clogged with rust, thus preventing the tank from getting any air to displace the fuel being used. Repaired the line....problem solved.
Just another thing to check. Good luck.
 
I just loosened the cap and tried to start it. No go.


Dain
 
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