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Cab over campers-Anybody have experiences with these?

mysunnshine

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I have been looking at the truck slide in campers lately for my fishing trips and just getting out with the Jeep in Colorado and such. Since I am in the market for a 3/4 ton diesel truck, this seems like the time to entertain one of these. Do any of you have experience in what look for or wish you would have or not have done with these? I'm trying to not get ambushed after I choose one of these slide in's. I'm leaning to the pop up style instead of a complete hard sided style due to the weight and profile but that is my initial thoughts.......
 
I have a 2006 Four Wheel Camper Hawk on my 2018 Power Wagon (gas). I got it to drag a classic 4x4 behind to use when I reach my destination. I have towed with it and it doesn’t even feel the camper or loaded trailer. I am sure the diesel will make it even less noticeable. The FWC is kind of iconic and known for its ability to be taken back country. I like the pop up feature as it feels like it does not cause much drag. It is spectacular for the occasional rain fall I encounter in the mountains or when it’s windy or the bugs simply won’t leave you alone. And it takes only about a minute to setup. Also if you plan to remove it when not in use it is pretty easy. I am considering selling my setup, but only to go back to my T4R camping setup and buy a property. Good luck! The research and search are half the fun!
 
Not sure if the make popups but pretty sure Lance is the Cadillac of truck bed campers. I would love one with electric jacks. Get to a campsite, jack it up, drive out, lower it down and you have a camper and a truck without a camper on it.
 
When I was a kid we had one. We could get way back in the woods with it. If you are going to be out in the winter, you want it insulated is a good thing.
 
I had a Lance 820 camper for my 1999 F-350 7.3 PowerStroke Diesel. I bought both new in 1999. I still have the truck with 250K miles and it is going strong. I used the Lance a lot and loved it. Sold it in 2021. It was at the point of needing some refresh work. The roof and sides needed to be resealed. I didn't have any leaks but I could tell that was coming. It was always stored outside and it gets HOT here in Redding - up to 115 degrees in the summer months. I had a cover but rarely used it. BTY, I paid $16K for the Lance and sold it for $15K after all those years. New ones are very expensive.

I did more off-roading with the camper that I should have. You are right, it is very heavy. Especially when fully loaded. You can really feel the sway and on one rut I was crossing at an angle, it actually bent the front mounting point on my truck. I think a pop up would be much better if you anticipate a decent amount of dirt roads or trails. I had airbags with the rear springs and I think that is mandatory. That helped level it out and restored the handling to a decent level. I also had dual Rancho RS-9000 front shocks and singles in the rear. I would max the rears (#5) and put all four fronts on #3. I did a mild chip on the 7.3 and that provided plenty of power for the full setup you see below. Braking was a challenge. My trailer originally had brakes on one axle. I added brakes to the second axle and also an exhaust brake. That made it manageable on the long downhills.

I also ordered the truck with manual locking hubs. That allowed me to make a 2-low setting which was needed when maneuvering slowly. The 4-speed auto trans would overheat in high range when moving that full load on hot days. It had a lot of torque converter slip that generated the heat. Low-range eliminated that. I did also add an additional transmission cooler and fan on a switch. A lot of this may not be an issue with the newer trucks and 10-speed transmissions.

The Lance was great and my wife loved it. It had the winter package and AC. Used it a lot. One thing is that we found one single battery would not be sufficient if you run the heater on really cold nights. I was able to get the max amp-hours by putting two Optima Yellow-Tops in the battery compartment standing up on their sides. That was more than any single battery that can fit in the space. I also had the 50 watt solar panel they were selling at that time. I would do more solar now - like 200 watts.

I also replaced the factory 28 gallon tank on the F-350 with a TransferFlow 48 gallon tank. Huge range improvement.

With the camper on, fully loaded and the Jeep on the trailer, you are really maxing out the rear axle and tire ratings. So you need to make sure you are good there. (unless you get a dually)

Here is a pic from roughly the year 2000 on the way to the first "San Juan Scramble" in Colorado:
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Gpassida, That is the kind of info I was looking for. I definitely will require that any camper I get have AC out here in AZ. I don't plan on offroading with the camper but I would not rule it out I guess with the cool stuff up in Colorado. Is there anything that I should look out for that you know of that may be a problem or a future problem?
 
Agree on dual batteries for the camper. I went pop up for “off road ability” since I like to get out on the rutted mountain/mining roads, but not rock crawling. I think another consideration would be the tie downs. Depending on what you are doing, in bed tie downs may make sense, along with removal of the camper stands as they could get hung up depending how far off tarmac you want to go. Will you use solar for charging or plug into the trucks charging system for the camper batteries?

Re: A/C if the temps aren’t too bad dual fans are a game changer. My camper only has one and it has limitations when trying to keep air flow moving inside.

It’s the best pic I have for reference when considering how sleek a pop up is.

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Gpassida, That is the kind of info I was looking for. I definitely will require that any camper I get have AC out here in AZ. I don't plan on offroading with the camper but I would not rule it out I guess with the cool stuff up in Colorado. Is there anything that I should look out for that you know of that may be a problem or a future problem?
If you want to run the AC and you are not in a campground with hookups, you will need to bring a generator large enough to handle the load from the AC. Same for a microwave, everything else can run off the batteries. In my pic, the compartment you see to the bottom right of the main door is where the generator goes on that model. I'm pretty sure most of the popups don't have an on-board generator option. So that means you need to carry it somewhere else.

You will want to wire it into the truck so the camper batteries charge while you are driving. I had a plug in the drivers side of the truck bed. I would load the camper and then from inside, open a small access door and reach through and plug a pigtail into the port on the truck. Of course you need to unplug it before removing the camper - which I learned the hard way once.

As xplorutah said, the "Fantastic Fan" I had really worked well to move air when you aren't running the AC. I also found it handy to de-mosquito the camper. You get in and turn that on high, the mosquitoes could not fight the wind suction and would get stuck on the screen of the fan. Then we would get a small computer keyboard vacuum and suck them up. That was a frequent activity before going to bed.

And for my camper, which hangs off the back, I needed a hitch extension. (Roughly 24 inches) So I installed a Class 5 hitch with a 2 1/2 inch receiver. The extension necked down the 2 1/2 inch on the truck side to a 2" receiver for the trailer.

The last thing I can think of is to allow time to add or remove the camper from the truck. It is a bit of a process:
- Jack up the camper high enough to get on the truck
- Remove the license plate from the truck
- Remove the tailgate from the truck and safely store it somewhere
- Back up the truck carefully under the camper - be sure to align it evenly side to side
- Drop the four jacks so the camper is now fully on the tuck bed
- Attach and tighten the four turnbuckle hold downs
- Plug in the wiring pigtail
- Add air to the airbags (100 psi for me)
- Change the RS-9000 shock dials (six for me) to stiffen things up
- Add air to the tires to go to max PSI to handle the weight
- Attach the optional front cab struts to reduce the bounce of the overcab (you can barely see it in my pic)
- Install the license plate on the camper

And reverse it to unload. That was more than I anticipated, and I found myself not unloading it in campgrounds as much as I thought I would.
 
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