- City
- Colorado Springs
- State
- CO

Family owned doesn't mean anything at the end of the day when it comes to business other then for sales pitch slogan!
it's not a Jeep!!
After having visited the Sutphen factory and talking with many employees (many 20+ years and one that is 4th generation and not related to the owners) as well as having dinner with Drew Sutphen, the current president of the company, I'd say, as far as this company goes, that statement is not correct. With the fire apparatus manufacturing industry down over 17% over the last several years, Sutphen had their best sales year on record in 2016. They are by no means the biggest manufacture but they are one of a very small group that are family owned and have a long history in the industry. Just one example that stood out to me is when the president of the company was talking to me about the fire engine we were ordering, he handed his card to me with his personal cell number on it and said he wanted me to call him directly six months after we take delivery of the truck and let him know my opinion on it and if there was anything that needed improvement. I'm not a chief or even an officer and I have no control over budgets or capital expenditures but he knows I'm the guy who will be driving/pumping/and taking care of this truck and ultimately I'm the best person to assess the truck in a real world environment. That says something, to me at least. I've been to other fire apparatus manufactures (one of the largest being Pierce were the department I was on at the time was ordering 18 apparatus at one time) and I've never even met the president of the company let alone talked to him about everything from Jeeps (he owned a '65 CJ5) to skiing to football and had him give me his number to call. I'm not blind to the fact this may all be part of a sales pitch but, as a small business owner myself, I understand the ultimate importance of excellent customer service and that is what we, as a department, receive from them. I don't think we will be switching anytime soon and I'm good with that.
^^^This is exactly why^^^
After having visited the Sutphen factory and talking with many employees (many 20+ years and one that is 4th generation and not related to the owners) as well as having dinner with Drew Sutphen, the current president of the company, I'd say, as far as this company goes, that statement is not correct. With the fire apparatus manufacturing industry down over 17% over the last several years, Sutphen had their best sales year on record in 2016. They are by no means the biggest manufacture but they are one of a very small group that are family owned and have a long history in the industry. Just one example that stood out to me is when the president of the company was talking to me about the fire engine we were ordering, he handed his card to me with his personal cell number on it and said he wanted me to call him directly six months after we take delivery of the truck and let him know my opinion on it and if there was anything that needed improvement. I'm not a chief or even an officer and I have no control over budgets or capital expenditures but he knows I'm the guy who will be driving/pumping/and taking care of this truck and ultimately I'm the best person to assess the truck in a real world environment. That says something, to me at least. I've been to other fire apparatus manufactures (one of the largest being Pierce were the department I was on at the time was ordering 18 apparatus at one time) and I've never even met the president of the company let alone talked to him about everything from Jeeps (he owned a '65 CJ5) to skiing to football and had him give me his number to call. I'm not blind to the fact this may all be part of a sales pitch but, as a small business owner myself, I understand the ultimate importance of excellent customer service and that is what we, as a department, receive from them. I don't think we will be switching anytime soon and I'm good with that.
Not Trolling here. Im glad you had a great experience with the owner. family owned businesses are always nice. At the end of the day they are a business. Been apart of spec or two, made a trip or two with paid (on their dime. or you can also consider that on the municipalities/ organizations dime since a lot (all) of that is built into the price of the truck): flights, hotel stay, entertainment, dinners, drinks, and rubbing elbows with some the smoothest talkers. lots of smoke and mirrors out there.
my original post was just passing on some friendly advise with Sutphen. And your right every company that manufactures anything has a lemon or two out there. it just sucks when you're the one holding the lemon and they are playing dumb.
That was a real story I was hinting around at in my first post. last years model motor that did not make it onto a frame/chassis with a vin when 2007.5 hit. These manufactures buy motors, trans, and parts in bulk to save on cost. some times that bits them in the butt and the parts manufactures try to help them get through stuff like emission or safety standards otherwise the parts can only be used on vehicles that are grandfathered before the standard. thats why a lot of places are re-chassising (or considering it) their old trucks; especially to get around the emissions stuff. (on a side note they should have exempted the fire services as they did the military because the emissions equipment is not meant to go through the beating that the fire service puts on them. on/off, on off, 100mph or due regard then sudden stops, pumping the stuff out of them...)So they had to make a "family choices" keep it on the shelf and sell it as parts when someone blows a motor because it was a pre-emission motor, or call up cummins and see how they could retro fit the non-emission motors on the shelf to meet the new emission standards (which it was not designed for) and send it down the road to the mindless department/city/organization/municipality that had no ideal. bad turbo after bad turbo (and I'm talking about 20 + turbo's per vehicle. no joke), ecm programming after emc programming/ replacement, a truck that is in constantly in auto-gen or Regen (no matter how long you let the truck sit out, or how hard you run it down the interstate to clean it out) still to this day. once the warranty was up and with a know problem and some investigation work with cummins... a "Family" owned business made a choice... cummins said that series motor never came with emissions. ran every serial number on the block. every cummins mechanic that showed up said the samething: "this motor was not designed to to run this setup." now I'm not naive sutphen did not hillbilly rig these motors on their own... cummins plays a part in it also. maybe not the local cummins services/ dealer... but someone did.
so again just passing on friendly advise... thats all
I understand what you're saying but I'd have to lay a lot of that blame on the fire department as well. Perhaps the person(s) specking the truck were not the most informed. In the pre-build meeting we spent almost 7 hours going over EVERY line on the build. There is literally not one item we didn't mention and many we discussed at length. We have bought several diesel engines that were pre-new emissions standard and had chassis assigned to them but were built at a later date. Those trucks are in-service now and work fine. However, they were never equipped with emissions components that they were not designed for. The client has the final say in what is built and signs off on it. We've had a few crap trucks (mostly built by several manufactures which all blame the others work as the problem and never fix it) but in the end, it was ultimately our fault for ever building it that way. Everyone has their favorite manufacture, no different then Chevy/Ford/Dodge fans.