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Retitled: 83 Scrambler resto-mod finally gaining momentum

fast forward 6 years

after moving from NOLA to TX to CO.. and using my Probe painting experience as a primer.. finally decided that it was time to go ahead and do the CJ7 paint..

same process.. did some disassembly and alot of DA sander grinding to get it down to the base..

you can see I had some additional rust under hood and door hinges, and the very common Jeep vs roof dent/crease..

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primer coat and the trim pieces

into the booth for a primer coat.. lesson learned.. unless you want to pay alot of attention to your masking job every time in the booth.. I should've used black primer, as I did a poor masking job and got gray primer all over my frame.. a job I'll have to clean up with a wire wheel or some chassis black in a can one day..

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I also decided to use a black hammertone spray paint on all the tim.. going with an all Gold and black theme to this... not chrome at all.. and I like the texture and hardness of the hammertone paint, it looks good from a rattle can and is pretty scratch resistant..

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I used Plasti Dip to cover any of the soft touch or rubberized items and it worked pretty well, also worked well to de-chrome my wire guards for the lights..

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redid the fender flares with Krylon Fusion spray paint, which has a plastic adhesion formula.. I think it worked great..

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guide coat and base coat

did the guide coat with a cheap rattle can of contrasting color and then followed by lots and lots of sanding (pics don't show but I also did full doors, half doors, the hinges, the hood, tailgate, and the tub in the same fashion..

another "surprise" lesson for me.. the Jeep was MUCH harder to paint than the probe.. the probe was soft curves and generally flat surfaces.. the jeep has HUNDREDS of nooks and crannies that you don't appreciate until you're trying to get detailed paint or sandpaper into them.. there are a few things I would've done differently on the paint job, but I was generally pleased, again, with the work.. and I did what I could within the resources available.. painting takes ALOT OF PLANNING..

here's an old/new fender flare comparison.. looks better!
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here's the guide coat before sanding.. once you sand all the contrasting color down, your surface irregularities are still black.. and then you know where you have to use some filler or additional heavy coats of primer to build it up.. also did some more sheet metal work at this time, followed by touch up primer.. sanding took DAYS to complete.. using two paint stir sticks wrapped in 3M paper in 200, then 400, then 600 grit paper.. I did no finer than 600 grit paper..
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base coat in a metallic is tricky to get it even.. did two coats base using the normal "sweeping" strokes you see guys use on TV.. followed by a higher/distant proof coat done at 45 degree angles to the normal stroke.. intent is to get the flakes and metallic spread evenly with no strokes or concentration visible.. worked well

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as you can see I left some of the body bolts in their holes to (a) protect the threads from paint and (b) get them color matched also.. did the rest on a piece of cardboard in the booth..
 
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clear coat

shiiiny... this is before a cut and polish, which would make it even better, but basically I ran out of time to do that during my leave so.. good enough was good enough..

I learned alot by this project and was happy with the results.. I still need to repaint the hard top and de-primer my overspray.. and I would do some things differently but, all in all a rewarding experience. I've had some small issues with paint peeling on me where body bolts (ie: hinge bolts) tighten into the paint.. but I never intended it to be perfect..

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Looks Great......Thanks for sharing your painting and the tips with it. I am planning on painting this spring and hope it turns out half as good as yours. I already painted the hard top and that turned out great. I cleaned with degreaser, then scrubbed with a scouring powder (comet) and pressure washed really well. I then shot an epoxy primer followed by a flattened acrylic enamel. I believe it was Dupont centuri. Doing it this way I was able to keep the orginal texture.
 
paintining is fun..

it's the prep that sucks.. I'd seriously consider doing it professionally if it weren't for that aspect...

once you start to feel comfy with the paint gun and how it flows, you can sort of mentally "rehearse" how you're going to spray each panel or part.. I literally did a dry walk around inside teh booth pretending to paint it, seeing where I might run into awkward corners or need to tweak my spray pattern, or to make sure I had enough room to get between pieces.. recommend you do that (if you already paint, this is probably all well known to you)

as you can see I painted my hinges separately... doing it again, and with more time or booth flexibility, I'd have done the primer and some base coats on them (front and back, the same way I did) and then mount them, and do a final base coat or straight to clear coat.. that prevents you from having to dork around with aligning them and maybe scratching your paint or torquing chunks of it off while you're bolting it on.. when you disassemble yours you'll see it never was painted underneath at the factory either.. which is probably why they all rust under there, as primer is porous.. doing the backside with a POR15 or rust bullet would be an option too.. hard and protective.

have a plan for your dash too.. mine needed a paint but I didn't really decide to deal with it until just before I went in the booth.. so I just masked off the gauges and sparyed a light coat over it.. not a complete paint.. it's not right at all when you look at it up close, but at least got it color matched.. should have taken the time to disassembe it and treat it just as I did the doors and hinges...

learning to be less afraid of a run than of a dry spray was a lesson from the Probe.. I tended to work TOO fast when I primed that one, made the wet sanding more difficult as I didn't get the thickness of primer I needed

finally.. masking the hard doors = PITA.. I've never taken the doors apart, and it looked complicated again, but if I was going for a real pro type job, I'd recommend doing so.. I have some mask lines near my weather stripping and door paddles.. again, not a pro job
 
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Thanks again......I learned a few of the lessons on what I have done to this point. Mine is currently primed with an epoxy primer and assembled so I know exactly what you are saying about the hinges. Mine was not the condition of yours and I thought of it as more of a rescue project knowing that it would not last long if I did not do something where I live.:D
 
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more about the paint

had some questions via PM so I'll answer here for the group as best I can..

one of the good (and bad) things about working at the auto craft shop on post was that I had a full time tech there to answer questions and help out when it got technical.. good dude, and he did all the mixing and was there to look over my shoulder when it was time for teh fun stuff (didn't hang out much for the sanding part!)

I only have experience within the limits of what he taught me.

I used a 2-stage paint, urethane, from a brand called Lesonal, which I think is sort of a mid-grade brand.
By 2 stages that means color in one and clear in another... really you might think of it as 3 stage because priming isn't figured in those 2 stages.
The HVLP gun I used belonged to the facility, I didn't buy it.. so don't know what brand it was.. probably (again) a mid grade model as it's purchased for MWR (morale, welfare, and recreation) reasons.. the booth was a pro type, with an evac/recirc system, floor drains, compressed air, and heat.

Some consdierations for the facility you paint in.. you obviously want it clean, as any minute pieces of lint/dust or whatever is more than likely to get kicked up and the spraying activity functionally acts like a static creator.. as material gets in the air, it will be drawn to your paint, thus the booth is intended to have a flow (air moves from one end to the other). Upon advice from the tech, I wet down the booth floor with water before each stage.

Also, pay alot of attention to organization in the booth.. when you've got open paint with a hardener applied to it, you don't want to be screwing around moving stuff in the booth, as it continues to set up over time, even in the gun, and can clog your spray. I actually rented two booths at once, one to do the tub/chassis, and one with all the doors, hood, and hinges on sawhorses or table tops.

My windshield frame was knew (from 4wd hardware or q-tec, don't remember, had bought it several years before).. and painting it took some special angles as the INTERIOR of the frame was also raw primer from the factory, and I didn't want it rusting out from the inside, so I tried to do my best go get a bunch in any hole that was open.

SUPPLIES: bought all mine from the shop but I got a oversuit at Napa (20$) and a mask at Lowes (make sure you get the filters that work for isocyanates, the filters are different.) Get the good automotive masking tape (alot of it) and get it in different widths..

BIG ROOKIE LESSON: you wan't to paint a "wet edge".. as you paint across the sheet metal you want to see a wet-ish surface from your fresh paint, which means you have to go slowly enough that you're actually building a wet surface.. I was so concerned on the Probe about getting a run that I went too fast, and when I did that, I got sort of a "dusty" paint texture first, which doesn't give you the smooth and thick surface you're going to lay the (thinner) color on.. and it made wet sanding that much harder as the texture was that much rougher..

PRIMER COAT AS A REHEARSAL: for the CJ I think I did 3 coats of primer... don't remember if it's because I needed it, or if I just had enough paint mixed to do it. Either way, when you paint primer don't worry about runs or drips too much.. you'll wet sand out imperfections anyway. It's a good time to practice yorur stroke/technique, and I'd recommend using it as a "rehearsal" for your color coats.. you'll start finding out that there are angles or corners that you'll need to narrow the spray fan on, you'll figure out how easy/hard it is to move around the vehicle (sounds simple but when you've got a can of really expensive paint in a blow gun attached to a heavy air hose and you're walking around in a jump suit and mask/filter, you tend to stress a bit about things)

PRIMER AS FILLER: depending on the surface flaws, you can identify certain areas of the vehicle that you want some extra heavy primer on.. on my tub, for example, I did extra coats of primer above the rear wheel wells, where the factory spot welds are that you normally seem some dimples/vairations as you look down a jeep lengthwise.. if it's a relatively small or thin flaw, your primer might acutally work like a body filler.. so, mentally retain or have a system to remind yourself where you want some extra thick layers on..

DEGREASE AND TACK CLOTH: you'll want to do a good quality degreaser (all strokes in one direction, doesn't matter what quality paper towel you use as you'll tack cloth it anway).. they sell this at paint supply stores and your local one can explain it to you.. tack cloth is like a sticky cheese cloth that picks up any lint or residue, which you do just before painting.. it's all part of the very anal and detailed prep..

PAINTING: with metallics you want pretty good pressure on the gun and a pretty wide fan, that way the colors/metallics get spread more evenly, and you overlap your spray with each stroke to blend it.. otherwise you'll get 'tiger stripe' or streaky color.. did two coats the normal way, and then one "proof coat", which was holding the gun higher/further away from the paint and painting at 45 degree angles.. this futher eliminates chances of streaky colors..

TIME BETWEEN COATS: each manufacture has a tech data sheet that tells you how long between coats and what the "flash off" time (time it tacks for those hardeners and chemicals to chemically react on the surface and start to bond/dry) requirements are.. depending on what brand/system you use, I'm sure they vary.. read the Tech data sheets. Since I was using two booths at once, generally speaking, from the time I moved from one booth to the other, painted what was in the second booth, and got back to booth 1, the stuff in booth 1 was ready for another coat... I'd figure it was 15-30 minutes minimum for flash off..

TIMING: every step of this process too me longer than expected, and one thing Steve (the tech) did a good job of coaching me on what NOT rushing to get something done that day.. if you put yourself in a bind where you're trying to rush to get it done, highly likely you'll ruin all the work you've done... I delayed my actual paint by one overnight to get a full day to set up the booth, mask, and degrease.. then I came back a second day and degreased again, tacked and then sprayed.. then the truck and parts sat in teh booth all day baking (I'd guess about 115 degrees or so).

MASKING: a learning experience.. it takes forever and you have to sort of "be the paint" and imagine where you'd go..

MASKING II: use fresh masking tape/paper every time.. old stuff is dirty (bad) and with all the wet sandng you do, it will hold moisture.. on my probe I forgot to replace the masking paper on the windshield washer nozzles.. those nozzels (dead center of the top of the hood) went into the booth damp.. I sprayed the color and clear, and then when we put the heat to it, it forces the water down and out of the tape, and made a loooooong sidewinding impression in my clear as the water ran for the front bumper.. fixed with a buff/polish but very annoying detail that nearly ruined the single largest flat surface of paint..
 
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so now, where are we?

answer: Florida

after all that history and my list of excuses for not having done something with this truck, back to "what's next"?

courtesy of Uncle Sugar we moved to Florida last month, dragging 2 jeeps behind us (took two trips to move all of our cars/trucks.. and yes CO to FL is a long drive)..

the good news is that I'm in a job that should afford me more time to work on this (among all my priorities in life), should I choose to (which begs the jeep owner's existential crisis in all of this).. the downside is that I'm now removed from most of the reasons I like to own a Jeep in the first place (ie: exploring CO).. more on that later..

so, we're building a house, working in a new job, raising our 1 year old son and stand to have 2-3 years here in the panhandle..
 
so now what with the Scram?

starting with my assessment of what HAS to be done to just get this thing roadworthy...

SUSPENSION:
  • replace front and rear shackle bushings (ordered replacmeent 3/4" lift shackles)
  • replace pass rear spring plate (where the shock mount is bent: ordered today)

BRAKES:
  • rebuild rear brake hardware
  • new (longer) brake hoses to replace current cracked ones and account for lift

ELECTRICAL
  • complete installation of painless harness
  • debug faulty gauges and lights
  • replace or repair wiper motor/harness to get functioning wipers

STEERING:
  • ball joints (may not be totally necessary, but since I've done TRE and wheel bearings, might as well)
  • sway bar bushings and connectors replaced
  • alignment

MECHANICAL/FUEL:
  • diagnose persistent burning oil in engine bay and smokey smell in cab (may be valve cover)
  • figure out a better solution to my home-fab starter shim job
  • needs an oil breather on the valve cover (trip to Autozone)
  • replace main fuel filler hose (leaks)
 
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what needs doing shortly after that...

not ABSOLUTELY necessary but in short order, the truck also needs:

BODY MOUNTS all around range from just cracked to nearly destroyed (ordered Daystar 1" lift body mount kit today)

EXHAUST:
  • new catalytic converter (has none)
  • new downpipe (rusty)
  • figure I'd do a 4wd cat-back at the same time and just make it all new

AXLES:
  • front and rear breather tubes
  • pinion seal leaks on rear AMC20
  • both axles are covered in surface patina, look bad so: clean/paint
  • 1 piece axles in the rear (falls in the "nice to do" category for now, I have alot of debate about how much money to throw at the AMC20

REMOVE/CLEAN and PAINT brake booster and master cylinder (look bad)

REMOVE CLEAN and paint PS pump (same)

REMOVE and clean/paint or replace existing oil pain (enging fire before i owned it baked off paint so now it's all surface rusted

FIX passenger side exterior door paddle linkage (can't open door from outside

REMOVE farmer bob home-made bumper assembly, which pierces the factory cross member and is bolted to the frame

REPLACE factory spare tire carrier (currently none, could do either roll-bar mounted or get another CJ swing gate style
 
did you start with the end in mind?

informal polling of the group here:

did you start with a vision of the endstate and actually see it through? or did it constantly evolve? I'll discuss my vision in a later post..

knowing what you know, would you do it step by step (ie: focus on one project at a time) or would you do it "all or none" (tear it down to the frame and rebuild every piece/bit as you go)? I could see where one can give you momentum and satisfaction (and at least occasional use of the vehicle) where the other probably gives you a better end product but risks you getting overwhelmed, frustrated, out of money, or tired of it and quitting...

it's one thing to make it roadworthy or restore it, but if, like me, you "restomod" it, and one day you're considering a 4.0 conversion, auto trans, some sort of modular seating arrangement to carry my monkey around in, a roll cage, full soft top, lockers, etc etc.. do you just start from scratch?

have you ever thought, why don't I just invest in a late model TJ (or whatever)and spend more time driving than wrenching? I have a tremendous owner's existential crisis over what the result of all this will be.. in the end, do I want a very cool and capable piece of 60 year old technology? Or should I get an LJ Rubi that I can use today, has EFI, airbags, ABS,general reliability, a back seat, a soft top and removable doors (only reason I don't give up now and just keep my Landcruiser)

is it worth it in the end?

if you can't tell, I tend to internalize too much debate and doubt instead of just saying "f it" and doing it..
 
some motivation

many motivational rigs on this site and elsewhere online.. my current "endstate" tends to be more of the "fun daily drive-able rig with legitimate capability build".. I tend to be more interested in the "expeditional portal" lifetstyle (great website) than the Pirate extreme rock crawling multi-fabrication required club..

rig below from ToyboxJeeps website is sort of my ultimate inspiration.. I probably won't ever go bigger than 33s, but love the full roll cage, the custom armor underneath, the utilitarian look to it down to the color), and the rear seating (although I would probably stick to just one rear seat and some cargo room)

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Ok...this thread is awesome. Lots of history, pictures, and instructions. A+!

I'm at the "decide a paint color" on my build- I need to get the firewall finalized before I go any further. Your instructions on paint were awesome- and probably convinced me that I need to pay someone else to do it. I'm better at designing and fabricating than painting. I just scrolled down and saw your "lottery" post...that Jeep was/is my inspiration, and was going to be my color, until I powdercoated the cage in a black/silver color.

I'm building a "capable expedition rig" myself. No rockcrawling-I'd hate to crush a quarter on mine....

My first build was one project at a time. I found that I never truly ended up with what I envisioned, and therefore went the frame off route. Much more satisfying, but overwhelming at times, and there have been times I just needed to take a break.

We had a JK Unlimimited until I was laid off a while back. My wife and I loved it, and I still say someday we'll have another, but nothing has the "character" of a Scrambler. Plus, for what a newer Jeep costs, just think what you could accomplish on the Scrambler. As for airbags and the like, well, I'll trust my cage and ride height. I am installing a fuel injected V8, with cruise and an auto, and a Hot Rod Air system to handle the climate issues. Plus a bunch of Dynamat to keep things quiet. So, all in all, I'm thinking I will end up with most of the modern conveniences in a retro package.

Oh- the Mastercraft Baja's ROCK. On my list when I win the lottery:D
 
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depends on how much you want to spend

Randy I'd estimate it cost me easily about 1500 bucks including supplies and (lots of) shop time fees..

I guess it depends on what you want to pay for.. if you do alot of the surface prep yourself, you stand to get a better job from someone that paints it for you.. even a Maaco job would probably be okay if you did the surface prep and disassembly.. that's where all the labour cost are.. the actual painting is done in a matter of hours..

all I'm saying is, I wouldn't shy away from doing it yourself, to do the kind of prep work I did would probably cost you 2-3 times as much to pay someone to do it..

other consideration.. now I don't want to scratch it.. there's alot to be said for doing a rattle can, roll on, or maaco jobby if you plan on actually "using" your rig..
 
some of my want-to-haves...

after the must-do and deferred-do repairs, and assuming they all add up to a functional vehicle platform for upgrading.. my vision for the end lists something like:

  • front and rear crawler style bumpers
  • winch and tow points
  • full length soft top
  • seating for rear passengers, specifically a baby seat
  • full sport or roll cage
  • replace/reinforce rear cross member (doesn't someone here make them?)
  • upgraded wheel/tire combo (like the AR Mojave Teflons, or maybe just paint my wagon wheels a similar color)
  • 32-33 inch tire package
  • clean and POR-15 or paint the frame
  • possible full restorative paint job (wife's vote is for a blue similar to what 4BTCJ8 just bought)
  • tuffy console, stereo, sat radio and GPS
  • better seats: either a swap from a u-pull-it (ie: audi or volvo sport buckets) or go for the Mastercraft style and harness seat belts
  • and while I'm daydreaming, possibly a drivetrain swap to a 4.0 and aw4, or 360/TH400, or a GM/Vortec combo
  • some sort of a cool utility trailer made from an M416 or fabbed up.. guy I met at a Jeep Jamboree in LA years ago did a very cool one out of a CJ7 tub, but LOTS of fab work there


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Paul's trailer for Loco Ocho

had pics online of his build of this but can't seem to find them at the moment..

basically he back-halved a CJ7 that had rolled over, modified the frame into a trailer and the used new rear corners and sheet metal to enclose the original tub into a flat trailer

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this was a sweet rig.. he sold it on eBay years ago.. the armor was ridiculous.. all home made and those rocker protecters went flat all the way through to the frame with holes for the body mounts..
 
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Bush, I gotta tell ya I just sat and read this post from start to finish. First of all, thanks for taking time off from the project to defend our nation! That said I'm going thru the same thing only I'm an under paid over worked firefighter that has a pile of jeep parts in the garage and not time to install them. As for your questions, I agree nothing has the character of a CJ8. hang in there and Git-R-Done. sorry couldn't resist. Rubicons and all are cool and capable, but they're not scramblers. Next, after years of half a$$ restorations, several complete race car fabs one custom motorcycle build(including doing my own frame.......never again) I decided the only way to go with mine was complete frame off. mine is an original unmolested survivor that is going back together restomodded to my liking. everything new as I'm able to do it. From new seals in the axels to poly bushings everywhere. It's not as intimidating as it is just time consuming. Keep us posted on this, I'll look forward to keeping up with it. Kinda like playwing where in the world is Busmaster.
 
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