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That's an international thing....I've seen that look plenty. Except she'd say someone else is being stupid....
A Norwegian Scrambler project
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That's an international thing....I've seen that look plenty. Except she'd say someone else is being stupid....
Jan-Erik
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Ohh yeah... and it'll look really smooth when I put some body "stuff" in the welds to smoothen them out (just for looks), and put some paint on it! But I have some more welding to do before I'll do that. I'm also gonna weld some plates on the inside where the motor mounts will be, and the rear crossmember.
Next thing I'm gonna do though is get the tub on top of the frame! Can't wait to do that! It will really be a milestone as I'll start building the car again.... not just tearing stuff apart
Next thing I'm gonna do though is get the tub on top of the frame! Can't wait to do that! It will really be a milestone as I'll start building the car again.... not just tearing stuff apart
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Body on... body off...
Another great evening in the garage. Got help from some friends, and we started out by lifting the body on the frame. Positioned the rear crossmember, and took the frame off again (we also wanted to see that everything lined up...). Then we welded on the rear crossmember. I also used Tec7 in the welds on the top of the frame. On the underside I won't put anything in the welds.
We then put some layers of zink on the rear end of the frame, and I just had to try out the body schütz which I'll use to paint the frame. I'm so extremely happy with the result. The color, consistens, everything was just perfect. It's exactly what I was looking for. The photos doesn't show it to good, but it turned out absolutely great! So, when the Tec7 is dry, I'll paint the whole frame. Can't wait for it
Another great evening in the garage. Got help from some friends, and we started out by lifting the body on the frame. Positioned the rear crossmember, and took the frame off again (we also wanted to see that everything lined up...). Then we welded on the rear crossmember. I also used Tec7 in the welds on the top of the frame. On the underside I won't put anything in the welds.
We then put some layers of zink on the rear end of the frame, and I just had to try out the body schütz which I'll use to paint the frame. I'm so extremely happy with the result. The color, consistens, everything was just perfect. It's exactly what I was looking for. The photos doesn't show it to good, but it turned out absolutely great! So, when the Tec7 is dry, I'll paint the whole frame. Can't wait for it
Jan-Erik
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Thanks. Yeah, everything went well. I cut the front plates a bit because of the side steps (which I'm leaving there just for protection, instead of buying new rocksliders).
Also one of the guys which helped me yesterday has a CJ7 which he's constantly working on. He loved the rear crossmember, and wanted to buy one from you. I'm gonna send him your email, and he'll contact you about it. You're using the hotmail address, right?
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looking real good Jan Erik! what's next on the list
Well, the next is to complete the paint job. That includes putting owatrol oil between the frameplates. I also have to fix up 2-3 of the body mounts as they were pretty rusted, and the metall is quite thin. Ahh, and before I paint the whole thing, I'll weld in some plates on the inside where the engine mounts go, just for extra strength. When all that's done, the frame is more or less done.
The next thing then is to cleanup the rear axel, weld in new spring perches, and paint it. I also need to cleanup the calipers and disc brakes, and mount everything. Then I'll do the same job on the front axel. But the front axel also need to be rebuilt with all new internals (Detroit locker, ring & pinion, and all the other stuff).
Then I'm gonna mount the springs and axels, and I'll have a rolling chassis. Then it's the engine I think.
Jan-Erik
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The body is already painted and ready. If you go to page 2 or something there are some info and photos of the body work.
My intentions were to have everything painted mate black, but it turned out glossy. Anyway, it's looking good.
By the way, I've decided not to fix up the tailgate or buy a new one yet. So, at first I want to put a cargo net there. Anyone know where I can get a cargo net which will fit, or which I'm able to customize to fit?
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Got my Dana 44 for the TJ the other day. It had been stored for some time, and didn't look too nice. I mean, when buying a new axle I'm expecting it to be in tip top shape. Anyway, this is common knowledge in Norway (and I'm guessing USA as well) that the stuff which is made in the US is painted like crap. I mean, it starts to rust when it's getting close to water. It's the same thing with all the stuff on my TJ. It looks good for about 6 months, then the paint peels off and it's rusting like crazy...
Anyway, in order to solve the issue we're using a mixture of Owatrol (rust penetrating oil) and Arcanol (metal paint). So, my axle got two layers of new paint, and will not rust for many years!
Dana 44 as it looked when I got it. Brand new...
Dana 44 after two layers of Owatrol and Arcanol:
lso, when I dropped off the 44 in my garage, I put some more paint on the CJ8 frame. I think it looks perfect! I also took a closeup to show the structure of the paint a little better. The frame looks gray, but in reality, it's really black. It's just my crappy IPhone camera who's fooling you
Anyway, in order to solve the issue we're using a mixture of Owatrol (rust penetrating oil) and Arcanol (metal paint). So, my axle got two layers of new paint, and will not rust for many years!
Dana 44 as it looked when I got it. Brand new...
Dana 44 after two layers of Owatrol and Arcanol:
lso, when I dropped off the 44 in my garage, I put some more paint on the CJ8 frame. I think it looks perfect! I also took a closeup to show the structure of the paint a little better. The frame looks gray, but in reality, it's really black. It's just my crappy IPhone camera who's fooling you
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Jan-Erik
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Got some help from 6 friends tonight. Lots of grinding on the leaf springs and some stuff, paint, paint the rollcage, paint the frame and remove leaf spring mounts on the axles...
Thanks to: Bjørn Einar (my brother), Kai, Erik, Ståle, Thomas and Bjørn Arne!
Had the JeepClub Norway banner laying around, so put it up:
My brother painting:
Ståle's Grand Cherokee:
My brother painting more:
Bjørn Arne, Ståle, Ruben (didn't work on the Scrambler), Thomas (brother of Bjørn Arne):
Spilled some Owatrol on the frame, so I need to remove, and repaint some:
Tired gang around midnight (Kai, Erik og Thomas):
Thanks to: Bjørn Einar (my brother), Kai, Erik, Ståle, Thomas and Bjørn Arne!
Had the JeepClub Norway banner laying around, so put it up:
My brother painting:
Ståle's Grand Cherokee:
My brother painting more:
Bjørn Arne, Ståle, Ruben (didn't work on the Scrambler), Thomas (brother of Bjørn Arne):
Spilled some Owatrol on the frame, so I need to remove, and repaint some:
Tired gang around midnight (Kai, Erik og Thomas):
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Hey Jan-Erik,
This is a great thread, I just stumbled across it. That's awesome you were able to ship her to Norway, but expected, I guess, that you have a hard time finding or getting all the right parts. I was curious about your licensing laws, which you mentioned on page 2 or so, but if you're not going to get plates, what can you do? Are you restricted to towing her places and then going off-road (where it's allowed, at least), or what? I just spent ~$500 to get mine licensed, but at least I don't have to worry about emissions or other safety inspections (this year anyways). I can't imagine the BS you would have to go through.
Best of luck,
-Nick
This is a great thread, I just stumbled across it. That's awesome you were able to ship her to Norway, but expected, I guess, that you have a hard time finding or getting all the right parts. I was curious about your licensing laws, which you mentioned on page 2 or so, but if you're not going to get plates, what can you do? Are you restricted to towing her places and then going off-road (where it's allowed, at least), or what? I just spent ~$500 to get mine licensed, but at least I don't have to worry about emissions or other safety inspections (this year anyways). I can't imagine the BS you would have to go through.
Best of luck,
-Nick
Jan-Erik
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Norwegian laws...
Hello Nick,
Thanks for looking at my thread. Yeah, it was cool to get her shipped to Norway, and especially since there are just a few of them here. I think only one which is driveable. Getting parts isn't really a problem. We have a few shops (like Arctic Trucs and BGNor) which get you the same parts as you'll get in the States. Only problem is the price. So, what we try to do is going together 3-4 people, then we buy stuff which is shipped to some guy in the States. When we have enough stuff to fill some crate, we ship it to Norway by boat. If we're in a hurry, we'll have to use USPS, UPS or FedEx, which normally is quite expensive.
Regarding getting the car lisenced. Yeah, it's a hassle. First of all there are some rules regarding import cars from the States. I don't know all the rules in detail, but in general you're not even allowed to paint a car imported from the States. So, lifting it, etc is a no-go... I don't know why this rule exists, but I guess it's because they hate that people import cars, because it's normally much cheaper than getting them in Norway, and also they want to restrict people in customizing their cars.
Second, if you have a "Norwegian" car, like my TJ, you can customize it. A few years ago it was still a hassle, but do-able. Some years ago they made some rule that the inspector has the responsibility for what he approves when you come to approve the changes you've done to your car (e.g. lift kit, bigger tiires, etc). After they did that, the inspectors really can't think for themselves, or they don't dare. They're super affraid that they're doing anything wrong, since they now have some kind of responsibility for the build. That means that we need TÜV papers on EVERYTHING we do, and that's a big problem for us. TÜV is an independent institute in Germany which can test and approve parts. If you win the lottery you can take your car, buy 3 sets of everything you want approved, and go to Germany. The thing is that they will stress test the parts, crash the car (if needed), etc before they approve the parts. So, you can imagine the price for doing this. There are some companies which does this, and sell parts with TÜV papers, but the price for the parts are then trippled or more. On my TJ I was restricted to go for a 4" ProComp stage II liftkit with 2" bodylift. That was the only TÜV approved liftkit you can get with that hight. What I really wanted was some 6" longarm kit, which would cost me half the price, but I would never get it approved. It's frustrating as hell!
For my TJ I now want to do a V8 swap, but it's a fulltime job making all the applications and documentations I need. Also I'm restricted in having no more than 186 HP or so (what the 4L already have), so an LS1 is imposible just because of the HP. It's just "¤#"#&"#¤!&¤# stupid as the LS1 will be "drop-in", while some other engine need much more job, more parts and will cost more. What I'll end up with is an engine with less performance, more expencive and tons of work to get it fitted. Stupid!
Regarding my Scrambler, I guess you all see where this is going. I'm not even gonna try getting plates on it. I think the only OEM parts still on it is the frame and body, so I will never ever manage to do it... That said, I'm gonna try registerring it as a tractor. But, I think it will be hard, as they will say that it's a car, and they won't approve it as a tractor....
Damned, almost 7am... gotta wake my daughter and get to work
Hello Nick,
Thanks for looking at my thread. Yeah, it was cool to get her shipped to Norway, and especially since there are just a few of them here. I think only one which is driveable. Getting parts isn't really a problem. We have a few shops (like Arctic Trucs and BGNor) which get you the same parts as you'll get in the States. Only problem is the price. So, what we try to do is going together 3-4 people, then we buy stuff which is shipped to some guy in the States. When we have enough stuff to fill some crate, we ship it to Norway by boat. If we're in a hurry, we'll have to use USPS, UPS or FedEx, which normally is quite expensive.
Regarding getting the car lisenced. Yeah, it's a hassle. First of all there are some rules regarding import cars from the States. I don't know all the rules in detail, but in general you're not even allowed to paint a car imported from the States. So, lifting it, etc is a no-go... I don't know why this rule exists, but I guess it's because they hate that people import cars, because it's normally much cheaper than getting them in Norway, and also they want to restrict people in customizing their cars.
Second, if you have a "Norwegian" car, like my TJ, you can customize it. A few years ago it was still a hassle, but do-able. Some years ago they made some rule that the inspector has the responsibility for what he approves when you come to approve the changes you've done to your car (e.g. lift kit, bigger tiires, etc). After they did that, the inspectors really can't think for themselves, or they don't dare. They're super affraid that they're doing anything wrong, since they now have some kind of responsibility for the build. That means that we need TÜV papers on EVERYTHING we do, and that's a big problem for us. TÜV is an independent institute in Germany which can test and approve parts. If you win the lottery you can take your car, buy 3 sets of everything you want approved, and go to Germany. The thing is that they will stress test the parts, crash the car (if needed), etc before they approve the parts. So, you can imagine the price for doing this. There are some companies which does this, and sell parts with TÜV papers, but the price for the parts are then trippled or more. On my TJ I was restricted to go for a 4" ProComp stage II liftkit with 2" bodylift. That was the only TÜV approved liftkit you can get with that hight. What I really wanted was some 6" longarm kit, which would cost me half the price, but I would never get it approved. It's frustrating as hell!
For my TJ I now want to do a V8 swap, but it's a fulltime job making all the applications and documentations I need. Also I'm restricted in having no more than 186 HP or so (what the 4L already have), so an LS1 is imposible just because of the HP. It's just "¤#"#&"#¤!&¤# stupid as the LS1 will be "drop-in", while some other engine need much more job, more parts and will cost more. What I'll end up with is an engine with less performance, more expencive and tons of work to get it fitted. Stupid!
Regarding my Scrambler, I guess you all see where this is going. I'm not even gonna try getting plates on it. I think the only OEM parts still on it is the frame and body, so I will never ever manage to do it... That said, I'm gonna try registerring it as a tractor. But, I think it will be hard, as they will say that it's a car, and they won't approve it as a tractor....
Damned, almost 7am... gotta wake my daughter and get to work
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Tractor...
Heehee...a tractor? Well, thats original...!
Maybe if you got an old (like 1940s-1950s era) jeep farm equipment 3 point hitch then maybe it would "Be" a tractor?
Heehee...a tractor? Well, thats original...!
Maybe if you got an old (like 1940s-1950s era) jeep farm equipment 3 point hitch then maybe it would "Be" a tractor?
Jan-Erik
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Heehee...a tractor? Well, thats original...!
Maybe if you got an old (like 1940s-1950s era) jeep farm equipment 3 point hitch then maybe it would "Be" a tractor?
Actually, in Sweden it's not unusual that CJ7s and other cars alike are registerred as tractors. I think the law states that the axles shall be able to hold X kilograms, you'll need lockers, and there are a few other things. I think it used to be the same way in Norway as well, but they changed it, of course... A lot of ATVs are registerred as tractors in Norway, but the goverment want to remove that "hole" in the law. It's hard being a Jeep owner in Norway
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Geez for as much as I complain about the state laws regarding inspection, I guess we don't have it so bad.
God bless
I hear ya! I just got hasseled for having a V8 swap but no catalytic converters...they let it slide though 'cause that was all they could find wrong.