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1983 Restore in Ga 4bt cummins goin in now

I have been told that the domestic cars turn right at the end of the line, and the export cars turn left, but they're all made in Toledo OH.

This picture (thanks Jeep Dreamer) is just more confirmation of the stories I've heard, mostly from factory reps.

I have also been told that there is some "political BS reason" why these vehicles are being kept out of the US market.

This is why I have gone to the trouble to make my own.(DeScrambler)

I don't see these cars being available here any time soon as I first became aware of Diesel Grand Cherokees in 2001 and they haven't showed up yet. They had nice MBZ diesel motors (since MBZ owned Chrysler at that time) and the price I was quoted was $51,000 for the Laredo Diesel version in '01!

Maybe Jeep Dreamer can find one and ship it to me.

I was truely disappointed that Jeep didn't release the diesel model in 2010 with the new body style as promised. I was going to buy one.

As it sits I am about to buy a gas model soon as i don't see the diesel ones materializing here. If this is political BS then someone needs their arse kicked!

Randy
 
Dang Randy... you sound like you expect our gubment to allow us to have a choice, a more efficient vehicle, AND cheaper fuel! lol! From my limited understanding, conventional diesel is more expensive at the US pump due primarily to taxes imposed on it, not really because of price gouging. Way back when some slick politician had the brilliant idea to charge extra for diesel as a way to generate revenue from the over the road truckers and the companies they worked for. It was kind of a "you use our roads so you gotta pay" type thing. And like many gubment creations it never went away, only increased. I don't want to drag this into a political discussion and I'm already muddying up poor gaducker's thread as it is..(Sorry). But yes, diesel has all the qualities people "need" to be less dependent on foreign fuel, spend less by driving further on the same amount of fuel, and uses technology already perfected and in use so no special car running a flux capacitor would have to be invented or purchased. Add in BioDiesel and the field gets even broader.
The diesel Grand Cherokee DID make it to the US market but only for a few years. A buddy of mine had one for his wife after their CRD liberty died. They did stop making them and it wasn't cheap to buy but it ran amazing! You could put a shot glass on the intake and drop the throttle and not spill a drop! The MB engine in that was awesome! But since MB and Chrysler are no longer bed partners I think we will never see that again. The VM motor in the LIBs and most of the stuff used currently is still a questionable power plant.Reliability issues never seen with the MB motors are often found in the VM's products. They supposedly revamped the 2.8 and created a new 3.0 or 3.something...which had good numbers on paper... But like RandyII said...they need a stand alone computer and a manual tranny. I have a pic of the VM somewhere... let me look for it.
 

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Yea and what happend to the split between off road and on road fuel, use to be 40 to 50 percent cheaper. Must be those darn taxes.
 
The federal government imposes a $0.06 higher tax on diesel fuel than it does gasoline, due to the greater impact freight trucks have on U.S. road infrastructure. The federal tax on diesel amounts to $0.244 per gallon, and has not changed in 20 years.

There is recent talk of revamping how the state and federal governments collect for transportation infrastructure, and eliminating the fuel tax, since it is not practical to keep raising this tax to keep up with inflation. Instead, there are discussions about taxing tires and motor oil (my recent tire purchase included a $6.00 state "tire" tax, separate from sales tax). Additional ideas include taxing roads through more toll stations. Also, one of the crazier ideas includes taxing drivers based upon GPS tracking of the miles they drive each year (tracking through Smart Phone), and sending an annual bill out to each tax paying driver.
 
Yeah Mark: that last one is a product of our friends in San Francisco. I think they'll have a war on their hands if they adopt that method because they will also be tracking everyones movements, and that kind of defeats the concept of "Free Country."

Just another liberal idea concocted in someones head that will fail miserably in the real world test.

It is kind of hard to discuss the virtues of using a Diesel engine without discussing the political ramifications. They are pretty much part of everyday life. Diesels have so many up sides, and virtually no down side, but we are not given adequate access, due to,,, You guessed it,,, Political BS!

I filled my truck at a USA station today, it was 25.39 gallons at $4.33/gal or $112.58 total. The pump even stopped at $75.00! So I had to do a second transaction to fill it up.

When I first got my truck in 1996, diesel was .95 per gallon! 4 years ago it was 1.89/gal. IE: $25 to fill up or $50. to fill up. Either one is alot better than $112 to fill up!

All from political BS! Nothing else.

On another note: the current Grand Cherokee diesel has a V6 MBZ Bluetec diesel engine, however I believe is is made 'under license' from MBZ? It's hard to get a strait answer out of factory guys. I know there are still ties to MBZ in the deal.

At the LA Auto show this year I was told there would be a Diesel Mini Cooper released here in 2013. Not holding my breath. Right now about the only outfits selling diesel cars are VW Audi, BMW and MBZ. Since Mini is a division of BMW I can only hope they'll cut loose and give us what we want. I'm actually surprised that the Japanese haven't done it, as they are usually more than ready to please.

My whole reason for going this route was Fuel Mileage and "Mechanical Reliability" and obviously the uniqueness of the vehicle. If Society breaks down I have many more options for fuel than most.

The new program on TV called "Revolution" is kind of silly as they have everything shut down because of the electrical grid shutting down. Planes literally falling from the sky, and every single machine shut down,,,yeah right! This would not affect us 4BT and MBZ 617 users in the slightest as our engines don't require anything but a kick in the pants to get started. Other than a catastrophic mechanical failure, if these engines have some kind of fuel,,, they run. End of Story.

I know gaducker is way ahead of the curve as his is already running.

Randy
 
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I am about ready to start collecting WVO and build me a plant to start making the good stuff. Or at least a filtering plant and run 50-50.
 
Gad: 50/50 is the way to go. You can also look at some waste oils and ATF. The reason why B100 is not as good by itself is because of the lower BTU's/lb. The mix with regular fuel gives some back. Either way the engine will run smoother mainly due to the higher lubricity of the fuel and the higher cetane content of the fuel. It is very noticable. Plus that there is the distinct odor of French Fries or Donuts depending on your source.

There are several sections over at 4BTSWAPS on alternative fuels for our diesels, I've seen guys running just about anything slippery that will burn. The key to the whole WO show is filtration and a centrifuge is the best way out there. $$$

Since your fuel system is pretty much new you shouldn't have a problem with clogging the fuel filter. My Benz clogged it's fuel filter in a matter of about 150 miles. The biodiesel disolves all of the crud built up in your fuel system (lines pumps tanks etc) post haste. However it also replaces that crud with it's own crud, which coincidentially is disolved by Diesel fuel.That's one reason why the 50/50 mix is a good way to go.

Strait WVO has it's own challenges mainly with filtering and having to run a separate heated tank, and then bringing the WVO tank up to temp before you switch over from your start up of regualr diesel and then having to switch back over before shutting the engine down. Not purging the system before shut down is a mistake you'll only make once as it is a real PITA to get the enigne running again after it is cold. The WVO turns to pure snot..

The biggest tip I can give you is to not use any oil used for frying any kind of meat or chicken. Donut oil, or tempura oil are the best as these have the lowest content of free fatty acids which are a PITA to deal with.

The one thing you need to be preparred for is the fact that dealing with the oil is a mess!!!!!!! The only way to get past it is by fastidious clean up and not allowing accumulations of the oil to sit. The stuff goes rancid and stinks up the area. A real good way is to have your conversion plant erected over a sand box filled with kitty litter.

I have ran strait Bio 100 in my Benz on and off for several years. About a 10% decrease in mileage overall. No big deal if you are making it yourself, however if you are buying it it needs to be priced at least 10% less than regular diesel fuel or you're getting hosed.

Both the Benz motors and the Cummins motors are very well suited to running alternative fuels.

Randy
 
I am in GA theres no oil around here thats not been used to fry something.. lol
 
Anyone had experience adding Canola oil to diesel? A friend who is running a Cummings 6 says it increases his mileage. He adds a gallon ever fillup.
 
Well, The new rotisire came in today so the scrambler is fixin to come completley apart Anybody got any factory color dark blue pics to throw up here??

Stay tuned it will be a few weeks before we start on mine because we have to do my buddies bronco first since he bought the rotisire and he is painting my jeep. We are putin a cummins in his bronco aswell.
 
I have my buddys cummins cleaned and he is just about ready to give me his frame and tub and when I take his he is taking my jeep and the pics will flow again as mine gets a complete redo body wise.
 
Repainted factory deep midnight blue.
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Well we started putting the cummins in the early bronco so we are getting closer to getting my jeep in the spray booth.:thumbsup::thumbsup:


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Well I started taking her apart today so the paint process can begin, didn't get any pics yet of the tear down but I will tomorrow.
 
I got it down to a bare tub and everyone of the body bolts turned like they had butter on them. I did spray them with creep last week so may be that helped. I got the harness out and it seemed like it was all intacted and pretty flexable everywhere on it. no suprises and the body work is ready to begin.

Has anyone ever tried to make there own homemade rocker trim? I thought about taking a 2 inch exhaust pipe and splitting it down the middle and rolling it at the front and rear wheel well openings to kinda make it look like the factory trim. Just athought at this time.

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