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Advice To Smog or Not to Smog

Engine Bay Update


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rubclt

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That is the question... The 1984 CJ8 is from California and equipped as such... In the Carolina's this is not needed.

thoughts, advice and opinions on

A. leaving the Jeep factory under the hood?

B. Modernize by replacing carb, distributor and minimize vacuum lines

C. Other
 
Well, obviously it's only factory once, and if it runs well that way, I'd leave it. But if you're having driveability issues, and if this is going to be a driver for you- then modify away.
 
It's only original once. It would be worth the extra aggrivation to keep it that way. I may be a little bias....
 
Well, obviously it's only factory once, and if it runs well that way, I'd leave it. But if you're having driveability issues, and if this is going to be a driver for you- then modify away.

^I'm with Randyzzz. If it's not giving you trouble, leave it alone.
 
I would have agreed with leaving it alone barring an issue, but I had a situation with my Scrambler where a 12V battery feed wire melted and shorted to the starter trigger wire inside the factory wire loom while driving so that the starter engaged and stayed engaged until I was able to pull off the road and pull a battery cable loose. Thank God for a Mean Green starter (it was smoking, literally) and having switched to marine-style terminals with wingnuts for a quick disconnect!

I found the short only after pulling the stock wiring loom apart and then I decided to go through ALL of the stock wiring the same way in the engine bay. Maybe I wouldn't have caught it if I'd pulled the stock wiring loom earlier, but maybe I would have.

Now I'm all about eliminating stock wiring and simplifying as much as possible in any rig that's truly driven and not just a collector's piece. If this is going to be a driver, I'd go HEI and Motorcraft (did both in mine) and strip out as much wiring and vacuum as possible.
 
I recently went the non-smog route. Once I get through with what I'll call a "semi-build" I'll use it to drag the ole jon boat and take to the hunting camp but still treating it with dignity and respect. The only reason I went non-smog was I could not get the Carter BBD w/computer assist to idle or run correctly. Maybe it was just my troubleshooting skills but I spent hours and several $$$ on trying to get it right. Once I went non-smog with a Motorcraft 2100 and ignition upgrade all my headaches went away.

I'll end by saying this, if I were not having any issues with it I would have left it stock. I think it comes down to personal preference.

Just my 2 cents worth....

Griff04
 
Good input all, thank you, keep it coming...
 
if you do "modernize", keep every single part, bracket and nut and bolt. If you don't want them, so one might. Or swap in a 1000hp LS engine. That's stock, right?
 
The computer controlled carb equipped CJ's can and do run excellent. From reading posts, it seems like every stock 80's CJ runs like crap. That is just not true:twocents: And they sure didn't run like crap when they left the original dealer's lots :twocents:

I have drove/repaired quite a few of these late model CJ's, and they can run great and be reliable. A few quick caveats:

1) If the entire system is intact/operational, they run great. Sometimes a small issue with one component can make the entire system not work correctly. It is actually a fairly advanced system, for early '80's technology. The biggest problem is trouble shooting. Unlike modern complex vehicles, where you simply plug in a scan tool to tell you a problem/observe operational data, the CJ system is not that easy to decipher. It will tell you of problems, but you have to get out a volt meter and start probing the diagnostic port, and get out a vacuum gauge and start checking lines/components.

2) Previous owner's can be the worst enemy. I DO NOT THINK YOU WILL HAVE THIS PROBLEM, your former owner took super great care of this Scrambler. I have seen some pretty "bubba" repairs and mods, then people blame it on the carb. Kind of like if someone cuts your legs off then asks you to run a marathon.

3) Big Walton eluded to something very important, the wiring. The computer/carb/feedback system has it's own harness. Over time/previous repairs/modifications this harness can become damaged. If the sensors can't talk to the computer, that's a problem. I had a problem with the harness in my green '83. it was pretty much butchered/damaged/destroyed around the intake/exhaust manifold. This is a common area for problems due to heat in this area.

4) I "restored" the entire emissions/carb feed back system on my green '83, except for the pulse air system. Once I installed an undamaged harness, all the electrical components were functional. After changing out vacuum hoses, and a few vacuum valves, all the vacuum stuff worked. It takes time to do this. The thing that took me the longest was understanding how the system works. Once you figure that out, it becomes easier to repair/diagnose. It is challenging, but it is also rewarding :twocents:

5) If I had an original paint Jeep, that was all stock, you can bet it would be 100% stock under the hood, too. They are only stock/original once. I hate seeing an excellent shape/original paint Jeep that is all stock, then under the hood is a Weber or Motorcraft carb with butchered emissions/feed back system. Kind of like seeing what's under the dress is a big Johnson:banghead: Fuel system/ignition upgrades are fine, if done correctly. Hell, my red Scrambler has Mopar MPI, my green Scrambler will have Mopar MPI, and my tan Scrambler has a TBI 350. So, I am not against correctly executed modifications. But/also, none of my Scrambler's are original paint/close to being stock specimens. My tan Scrambler is original paint, but a previous owner swapped in the 350/700R4. My green Scrambler is "kinda of stock", re-painted the factory color/reupholstered interior. My red Scrambler was completely rebuilt for trail/cross country trips. But, if I had a stock/original paint CJ/Scrambler, it would be the same under the hood.

6) Just my opinion, but a completely functional stock carb/feedback/emissions system will add value to the Jeep.

7) Just my opinion again, but the Hesco/Mopar MPI kit is kind of like a factory/Jeep supported upgrade. Big performance and reliability gains, but it won't be "original/stock" anymore. I have this kit on my red Scrambler and love it. I like it so much I am installing it on my more stockish Green Scrambler, too :twocents: :thumbsup:

8) It's your Jeep, do what you want :thumbsup::wave:
 
Thank you all for the input, spankrjs what you and others have provided is very help information. I admired your green jeep and how you restored original paint. I agree the original paint is something special and bobbysjeep did a great job on exterior and interior. I am now cleaning engine bay and under carriage, tracking down a few oil leaks, etc. This is an area the bobbysjeep had next on list list...

I hope this thread gives other thoughts as they decide how to restore or modernize their CJ8. So, please keep the thought following...
 
I'm more of a modder than a restorer, and I think the absolute best thing for a 258 is Mopar MPI, followed by a 4.0 HO head.

However, if I wanted to keep it stock, and the wiring hadn't been hacked, I'd pay very close attention to the vacuum system (which fortunately, is inexpensive).

It seems like no-one ever puts vacuum hoses back correctly. Figure out the correct routing, put in all new hose, and it should run like a top! :cheers:
 
The computer controlled carb equipped CJ's can and do run excellent. From reading posts, it seems like every stock 80's CJ runs like crap. That is just not true:twocents: And they sure didn't run like crap when they left the original dealer's lots :twocents:

5) If I had an original paint Jeep, that was all stock, you can bet it would be 100% stock under the hood, too. They are only stock/original once. I hate seeing an excellent shape/original paint Jeep that is all stock, then under the hood is a Weber or Motorcraft carb with butchered emissions/feed back system. Kind of like seeing what's under the dress is a big Johnson:banghead: Fuel system/ignition upgrades are fine, if done correctly. Hell, my red Scrambler has Mopar MPI, my green Scrambler will have Mopar MPI, and my tan Scrambler has a TBI 350. So, I am not against correctly executed modifications. But/also, none of my Scrambler's are original paint/close to being stock specimens. My tan Scrambler is original paint, but a previous owner swapped in the 350/700R4. My green Scrambler is "kinda of stock", re-painted the factory color/reupholstered interior. My red Scrambler was completely rebuilt for trail/cross country trips. But, if I had a stock/original paint CJ/Scrambler, it would be the same under the hood.

6) Just my opinion, but a completely functional stock carb/feedback/emissions system will add value to the Jeep.

7) Just my opinion again, but the Hesco/Mopar MPI kit is kind of like a factory/Jeep supported upgrade. Big performance and reliability gains, but it won't be "original/stock" anymore. I have this kit on my red Scrambler and love it. I like it so much I am installing it on my more stockish Green Scrambler, too :twocents: :thumbsup:

I've had much better luck tuning the Carter BBD's over any Motorcraft 2100 or 2150 I've ever worked on. I agree Spankrjs, the Carter BBD can and will run great. With that said, put me in the camp for the Mopar MPFI system and/or MPFI with the 4.0 head swap. When properly installed, I personally think it does not take a way from the value of the Jeep; even on an original survivor, IMO. The MPFI can always be taken off and returned to stock. Nothing like getting in a CJ that has sat for 6 months, turn the key and have it fire up instantly!
 
I've had much better luck tuning the Carter BBD's over any Motorcraft 2100 or 2150 I've ever worked on. I agree Spankrjs, the Carter BBD can and will run great. With that said, put me in the camp for the Mopar MPFI system and/or MPFI with the 4.0 head swap. When properly installed, I personally think it does not take a way from the value of the Jeep; even on an original survivor, IMO. The MPFI can always be taken off and returned to stock. Nothing like getting in a CJ that has sat for 6 months, turn the key and have it fire up instantly!

Yep, the "gas all evaporated out of the float bowl because it sat so long" hard starts are a thing of the past with the MPI :thumbsup: :cheers: :wave:
 
Thanks for all the input, I am planning to keep this jeep factory OEM all the way... I might need help with "tuning" from those that have experience...
 
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