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'Mater - '77 Cherokee S 4-door

Ignition control module problem, either HEI or Duraspark have issues:twocents:

Possible and I thought of that, but the Mallory is brand new (PO bought it before parking it, but never installed it) and the Mallory replacement module is a bit $$$ if I get the same rev limiting one. I can swap it over to a basic HEI module, it came with instructions on how to do that and I might still have the spare from the postal's 258 setup. Will look at the conversion instructions and look for that spare module.
 
I checked the ignition switch connection and one plug did push on somewhat when I checked that it was tight.

However, I was going to be thorough and also checked a number of other things as well last night. Of course I did all of them last night without driving it between them, so if it's fixed I won't know which one it was.

I pulled the carb cover off and found that there was some varnish-y looking crud on the bottom of the passenger side bowl. Cleaned it out well.

While I was at that, I checked the springs in the carb and saw that they were the heavy silver springs (8mmHg) where the carb instructions say that stock should be the orange 5mmHg, so I swapped those in. Rods/jets were stock. Figured that I'd get back to the initial settings and go from there.

On the Mallory, I pulled the top off and saw that the power wire to the coil had been somewhat crushed when I put the cap on last. It's just a solid wire, not stranded, and it was still very sturdy, but the insulation was pretty mashed. I straightened it out and put some liquid electrical tape over the mashed bit to prevent any possible arcing.

I also noticed that the screw for the cover in the corner that has the grounding tab for the coil had stripped out the screw hole, guess I overtightened it the last time I reassembled it. I was worried that this might affect the grounding of the coil, so I soldered a wire with an eye on it to the grounding tab and ran it back to the next cover hole to double up on the ground to the coil. I made sure not to overtighten it this time. I'll try to find a longer long screw for the one corner.

While I was in there, I pulled the cap and the Mallory ignition module to inspect them. Both looked fine, but the red power wire to the module was positioned where the module squeezed it against the vacuum advance rod quite hard. The insulation on the wire was dented in (not cut or broken though) quite well where the rod had worked back and forth across it. Seems like a design flaw to me on the module because there's no really clear/good way to route that wire. I tried to gently reorganize the red and brown wires that were working together to cause the problem and while the red is still touching the rod, it's definitely not stuck between the module and rod as badly.

Lastly, while inside the HEI, I noticed that the round rubber isolator/cushion in the cap under the coil was off center. It looked like it might have artificially compressed and pushed off-center the spring that goes from the rotor button to the bottom of the coil, so I straightened those. I also noticed that the area on the bottom of the coil where that spring contacts it looked to have some type of crud/coating on it, so I sanded it clean.

Called it a night after all of that. Went for a short-ish drive this morning before work and had no cutout/stumbling issues, but I'll have to drive it more to feel like it's really fixed.

I think the rod spring swap really helped, there's more power coming on faster when accelerating from part-throttle. I got to pass a Toyota Matrix who was doing 40 on a 50 MPH road. I won't say it was really "like she was standing still" but it sure as hell felt like it when driving a big honkin' Jeep from the 70's :D Highest I'd pushed the revs to date. I really need a tach ;)

I'll update this as I drive it more, more thoughts/suggestions are welcome!
 
Have you put the trailer behind 'Mater? That's where the 360 likes to show off. :wave:
 
Have you put the trailer behind 'Mater? That's where the 360 likes to show off. :wave:

No, I pulled the tow hitch when I had to drop the gas tank and I want to hit it with the wire wheel and paint it well before it goes back on. :shrug:

I did get the trailer and bus from their winter hiding spot, so it's ready to go when I can manage it.


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Sounds like you sorted out that little problem:thumbsup::wave:

Now, get down here and get my TBI Scrambler running :D:wave:
 
Sounds like you sorted out that little problem:thumbsup::wave:

Now, get down here and get my TBI Scrambler running :D:wave:

I won't say it's fixed until I drive a bunch more.

You pay for the flights and I'll be down there as long as you promise it will stay under 95 and 95% humidity ;)
 
Update and major mental milestone reached.

Have not had the engine cutting out issues anymore, so I'm going to say it was the ignition switch wire connector and call that fixed.

Drove it an hour each way on the highway mainly with no problems to pick up my $100 CL score for Mater:

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I think the sending unit in the aux tank was stuck and not dropping all the way down in the tank, I ran out of gas around 1/4 tank on the gauge once and on the way back with the lights I guess I missed that it was down to that level again because I looked at it when I got home and it was almost, but not quite to E. I tossed a 5 gal gas can in back and kept driving it. It got very close to E and was still going, so I put 5 gal in at the station to see what happened and it came up just under 1/4. So next time I'll fill up and try to run through a full tank to see if its really working right. Would be great if it is. Still a PITA to fill up with the way the filler neck makes gas want to shoot back out at me unless the pump handle is *just* so and it differs from station to station, pump to pump.

So for the fourth, I finally got to fulfill the vision I had the moment I set eyes on Mater, taking the family canoeing without our Bantam trailer. I'd been looking forward to this and in my head my secret manageable target date for having it drivable was just to have it ready early enough this year to be able to safely do this very thing[\i] :thumbsup:

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Bonus points for naming the beer whose label we were recreating in that last picture :D

Great way to spend the 4th with the family and enjoy Mater. I got a huge thumbs up from a guy in an XJ as he drove past us going the other way.

Next up is figuring out the reason that doing anything with the wipers kills power to the dash and doesn't do anything with the wipers. I've just stayed out of the rain with it but if we're going to take any longer trips that has to be fixed next. RainX only does so much, though it does work great on this billboard of a windshield!

I think that's it, I'm just driving the ever loving snot out of it :bacon:

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First of all - Totally Awesome!!!
Second - You just HAD to defile that sweet Tribal decal on the tailgate with that hideous HAT, didn't you!?
 
Second - You just HAD to defile that sweet Tribal decal on the tailgate with that hideous HAT, didn't you!?

That's temporary as the search continues for a suitable bumper sticker for that location. It's just a magnet. It will not be a Ravens bumper sticker either, if that shocks you, I want something more universally appealing that fits with Mater. Really holding out hope for an All Day IPA one, thinking about trying to make my own.
 
That's temporary as the search continues for a suitable bumper sticker for that location. It's just a magnet. It will not be a Ravens bumper sticker either, if that shocks you, I want something more universally appealing that fits with Mater. Really holding out hope for an All Day IPA one, thinking about trying to make my own.

LOL. If you are making one from scratch, go for the Justified Blackberry 'Shine.
 
It doesn't get much better than that! :bacon: :wave:
 
Update: Overall, we've just been enjoying the crap out of this thing. Until recently, I hadn't really done much more to it.

A couple weeks back, it started in with the cutting out issue again but only stumbled a little bit mostly, then it cut off completely on me once. Coasted to a stop, tried it, and it fired up again. I got under the dash and tried to push the wiring connector back together again (that was my guess at what fixed it last time). That seemed to do it, but then I had to pull it out to pack another vehicle for a road trip.

When we were ready to go, Kate, Laura and dog loaded and sitting in the rental car waiting to leave (Kate's JK was having TRE issues), I went to pull Mater in and it ALMOST started, but quit and then refused to do anything at all. I kept trying and got nothing. I had parked it on a decline in our yard, to get it out of the way and even though I'm not using the stock tank (using a more square aux tank where spare mounts), I thought the gas might have been low enough to uncover the pickup.

So I got my LJ, tow strap and two hitch pins and pulled it back onto the driveway. Still no start. Put in a 5 gal gas can, no start. I thought I might have flooded it out, so I pulled the fuel pump relay connector, still no start.

Remember, wife and daughter sitting in the driveway waiting to go to the inlaw's through all of this...

I checked the voltage to the HEI and it was showing ok, but I didn't trust it since I'd been having the other trouble that I was sure was electrical. So I grabbed some wire with a female spade on one end from my random leftover wire pile (everyone has one of those, right?) and hotwired the HEI to the battery so I knew it had juice. That time, it started, but it ran like absolute crap. I managed to get it into the garage, pulled the wire to the HEI to kill it, said some final choice words and left.

I thought about it most of the 10+ hour drive that day and realized that the voltage to the HEI should have been perfect when wired direct to the battery, but it was running horribly once it started. I also realized that I got it into the garage with the fuel pump relay pulled. Of all the attempts to start it, the only one where there was a longer period of time between starts was the last one, that made me think flooding and I resolved to get a fuel pressure regulator and gauge.

I did those yesterday and found that my electric pump was putting out a bunch more than the 5.5-6 psi that the Edelbrock wants. Reconnected everything and it fired right up. Went for a drive to get gas and no issues. Here's to hoping that this has it set for a while. Got to find somewhere to drive it today :D
 
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