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Bigwalton's LJ - Formerly "The LJ gets some big tire love"

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bigger:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPi...gler+DuraTrac&sidewall=Outlined White Letters

Confirms it's actually a commercial tire, it's E-rated, but for my use that's fine and lots of people out there don't seem to mind one lick.


Yup....but sometimes I'm lazy :ZZZ:

thx....Nice lookin' tire
 
Finally got to play with the LJ in the snow/slop today with the storm that blew through. Had to run some errands today in 3-4" of snow.

These tires BLOW AWAY the MTRs, no contest, not even close. These tires give the Jeep better traction in 2wd than the MTRs had in 4WD.

The spot where the MTRs most sucked is starting and turning from a stop in snow/slush. It got me a bunch in my driveway even when I went to do a 2-point turn to back into my side of the garage. Today I was in 2wd and was coming out of our supermarket parking lot where I had to stop in the goop and make a sharp left. That was a spot that would have meant slipping with the MTRs in 4WD and it would take some throttle to get moving in the right direction. In 2WD with the new tires, it wasn't even an issue.

I'm ecstatic with the improvement, just amazing.

One thing with the extra width, there will be a ton of crap on the sides of the Jeep from the front tires throwing stuff back and the rears throwing stuff forward. I'll take it though :smokin:

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Looks good Eric, I agree that the stock MTRs are the worse tire I have ever had (05 LJ rubicon) mine lasted less than 21000 and the last 3000 were a nightmare especailly on wet roads.

I replaced them with BFG MT km (first gen) P265x75R16s 40000 miles lattter they are in there last winter. Like you I swore that I would not lift it until the warrantee is out and its paid off. Right now I am planning just that, I think I will be starting with a JKS ACOS I have not decided on anything else at this point. I have even toyed with BFG AT kos for the next tire. Can you update this thread periodicly as you get some milage on these tires? Thoughts on your lift?
 
Sure thing. I will say that the depth of the tread on these when I saw them in person was pretty amazing.

I forgot to mention that I finally measured the tires and they're 34.25" to my eye. :thumbsup:
 
One month update

This happened tonight, so I figured it was a good time to update this thread. Not bad for an '05 :)

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I've not put a ton of miles on things yet, but we've had some typical Michigan winter weather and I'm just THRILLED with the tires.

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Snow, slush, ice, whatever, this has been a MASSIVE upgrade in handling for this Jeep. With the limited slips (when unlocked), the traction is great and when they do start to slip, it's totally manageable/gradual and throttle control makes it all good.

Sad to say, but the best example of just how bad the MTRs were was simply pulling out of my garage. Our driveway in front of the garage has a grade to it and sits in the shade all winter, so it tends to stay snowy/icy much longer than the roads or the rest of the driveway. So when I'd back out of the garage or go to back into the garage and would stop completely, the MTRs would just spin, no traction at all, nothing. I'd have to pop it into 4wd and even then I'd slip sideways until I got traction enough to back up, often having to redo it because I'd get too far offline.

But now, I have yet to have a problem or need 4wd. It's just awesome, period. I couldn't be happier.

Driving down the road, it's taken a while to get used to just how quiet they are, the exhaust is now noticeable, not that it's all that loud, just that you could NEVER hear it before with the MTRs.

The lift itself has been fine. I need to fine tune the draglink to get the wheel perfectly centered and I might do a touch more toe in too, there's just the slightest wobble when I go from a stop for a couple feet. Nothing at all problematic or worrisome, just something to try while I'm working on it.

Anyway, that's my update. I'm still smiling ear to ear every time I go get in it. I've been waiting for this look since we got the thing, so I'll be enjoying it for a good long while :thumbsup:
 
Looks awesome and thanks for the update on the tires. I may go with those on my Tacoma after the BFG's wear out.
 
Two other things.

1. No wheeling yet. Probably not until either the midwest winter get together or after the weather warms up and I've let things settle in. I still have the body lift sitting here...

2. I also am very happy with the gearing now. I'd seen a lot of comments both ways on this with the 4.10s in the Rubicon, but with the LOW LOWfirst gear, I got just what I wanted, a usable first gear. There's one intersection in town where I'd always had to shift in the middle of the left turn I always make unless I really revved the engine. Now I can cruise right on around, no worries. I can still start in 2nd if I want and that to me is the most telling thing. If I can do that, I think the gearing is just fine.
 
I just put a set of the Duratracks on our Tahoe. Thanks for the great pics and recommendation. These tires rock! And in snow/ice, they are awesome. They go places in 2WD that we needed 4WD in before. (Got some cool wheels too, the Tahoe doesn't look so "refined" any more:evil: ) Now Carol wants to lift it a bit...

I wish they made the Duratracks in a 36" tire, I'd be considering a set for winter tires on the Scrambler!
 
Hah, nice Randy, where's the tahoe build thread?? :rotfl:

I think GoodYear hit a massive homerun with these tires. They should do the same tread pattern in a lower load rating and more popular sizes, like your 36" wish. I mean they're freaking COMMERCIAL all-terrains... amazing.
 
Update on Duratracs

BW,

Can we get an update on the tires. What size did you order?

Tire rack gives me "the tire you are trying to buy has a load rating much higher than the OEM tire, and may ride harshly" warning. Do they ride harshly?

Still happy with the snow performance?

Let me know.

KK



This happened tonight, so I figured it was a good time to update this thread. Not bad for an '05 :)

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I've not put a ton of miles on things yet, but we've had some typical Michigan winter weather and I'm just THRILLED with the tires.

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Snow, slush, ice, whatever, this has been a MASSIVE upgrade in handling for this Jeep. With the limited slips (when unlocked), the traction is great and when they do start to slip, it's totally manageable/gradual and throttle control makes it all good.

Sad to say, but the best example of just how bad the MTRs were was simply pulling out of my garage. Our driveway in front of the garage has a grade to it and sits in the shade all winter, so it tends to stay snowy/icy much longer than the roads or the rest of the driveway. So when I'd back out of the garage or go to back into the garage and would stop completely, the MTRs would just spin, no traction at all, nothing. I'd have to pop it into 4wd and even then I'd slip sideways until I got traction enough to back up, often having to redo it because I'd get too far offline.

But now, I have yet to have a problem or need 4wd. It's just awesome, period. I couldn't be happier.

Driving down the road, it's taken a while to get used to just how quiet they are, the exhaust is now noticeable, not that it's all that loud, just that you could NEVER hear it before with the MTRs.

The lift itself has been fine. I need to fine tune the draglink to get the wheel perfectly centered and I might do a touch more toe in too, there's just the slightest wobble when I go from a stop for a couple feet. Nothing at all problematic or worrisome, just something to try while I'm working on it.

Anyway, that's my update. I'm still smiling ear to ear every time I go get in it. I've been waiting for this look since we got the thing, so I'll be enjoying it for a good long while :thumbsup:
 
I deeply, deeply love these tires. :bow:

I got 315/75s, right at 34"

I put a road trip on them to our office in Cincinnati and have zero complaints. I was actually comfortably able to be on the phone (wired headset) with the soft top on while doing highway speed. That was a new experience. Even managed 15 MPG on the way home (a MPG champ this is not, but I knew that going in). It's nice to be at a a more reasonable RPM as I roll down the highway.

As for the ride, I have no complaints and don't think anything on the ride is attributable to the tires. It rides rougher than stock, but it's a 3.5" short arm lift, I figure that's a given. Any trade off for the snow/ice traction and quiet ride is TOTALLY worth it to me anyway. I think tirerack just has to have that overly cautious stuff to keep people who have no idea what they're getting into from calling with complaints.

Still no wheeling, but I'm sure I'll be satisfied. The way they clean out from snow is really impressive. Just noticed I never posted this shot. This was after driving through 18" or so of virgin snow to take my daughter pond skating. Awesome clean out...

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I can't think of one thing to complain about with these tires. Honestly.
 
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That's good to hear. I am leaning toward these with 265/75/16s. That would be 31.7 and about 10.8" wide. I want bigger than a 31, but don't want to have to go with 33 12.5s. I think this was a pretty common size for half ton trucks 5-7 years back (before the dub craze).

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I deeply, deeply love these tires. :bow:

I got 315/75s, right at 34"

I put a road trip on them to our office in Cincinnati and have zero complaints. I was actually comfortably able to be on the phone (wired headset) with the soft top on while doing highway speed. That was a new experience. Even managed 15 MPG on the way home (a MPG champ this is not, but I knew that going in). It's nice to be at a a more reasonable RPM as I roll down the highway.

As for the ride, I have no complaints and don't think anything on the ride is attributable to the tires. It rides rougher than stock, but it's a 3.5" short arm lift, I figure that's a given. Any trade off for the snow/ice traction and quiet ride is TOTALLY worth it to me anyway. I think tirerack just has to have that overly cautious stuff to keep people who have no idea what they're getting into from calling with complaints.

Still no wheeling, but I'm sure I'll be satisfied. The way they clean out from snow is really impressive. Just noticed I never posted this shot. This was after driving through 18" or so of virgin snow to take my daughter pond skating. Awesome clean out...

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I can't think of one thing to complain about with these tires. Honestly.
 
Gotta agree, Eric. Those Duratracks are the ticket! The Tahoe seems unstoppable now! We went with 265's, and they are wearing great.

My only complaint- the biggest size they make in 15" is 31", and 16 or 17 is 34". I sure wish they'd make a 35-36" 6 ply in 15" wheel size...I'd run them in the winter on my Scrambler.
 
Thanks. I still get a silly grin every time I look at it now. Jeep should have a factory offering on all Wranglers that's something along these lines IMHO.
 
I've had a Daystar 1" body lift on the shelf since I put the lift and tires on this thing. The suspension on it's own is not enough to clear the new tires for anything other than mall crawling, so today I finally got around to getting it on.

Only two issues were that I couldn't figure how to get the fan clutch off to get the shroud out to modify and the kit left out a whole set of parts :banghead:, the lower poly bushings for 5 of the mounts (grille and rear two on each side). On the shroud, I managed it with it still in the Jeep and for now, I reused the lower part of the stock bushings for the 5 locations that were missing. Will have to get Daystar on the phone and do some :angry:

Also took the chance to touch up some spots on the frame that were starting to show rust :eek: and pulled the now-grey endcaps out of the rear bumper.


Here's the result :smokin:
before (flipped to match and keep in mind, this was the brand new suspension, so it had settled in since this picture, I didn't take a new before today):
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After this I took it for a test drive and flexed it out in a neighborhood under construction (forgot my camera and phone :banghead:) and the tops of the rear tires just touch the flares at full stuff. I can live with it, those flares are starting to look bad anyway, a little tire love won't matter much.

With this install, the LJ is pretty much in it's final form aside from some little things. Still need to do something different for a rear bumper, I want to try to fab some end cap dealios for the front bumper (it was one of the modular ones and the company isn't making them anymore), I'd like to do the Currie HD steering setup too.
 
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Yeah the trick is that I have to want to take it instead of the Postal ;)
 
Question? Since you have worked on both a newer jeep the LJ and a CLASSIC CJ8. Which one was easer to work on or modafiy? ( not counting the rivet problem you had on the lift of the LJ) I see all the neat stuff for TJ,LJ and JKs. Is it realy simpler to get them into a DD and trail truck? That is using all the neet after market stuff.

The only real way I see making a CJ a true trail brute is some kind of 3 or 4 link with coil over shocks. And that my frends is something I'm not willing to tackle.
 
The only real way I see making a CJ a true trail brute is some kind of 3 or 4 link with coil over shocks. And that my frends is something I'm not willing to tackle.

why??? My CJ-7 was leaf spring and I did all the serious trails with it. (the Scrambler has the same suspension but I would use it the same way i did the CJ-7)
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new Wranglers (TJs, LJs and JKs) are nice, drive good and are well supported by the aftermarket but for me, i'd take my CJ any day of the week over one for DD and trails.
here are a couple reasons...
CJs are simple and easy to fix on the trail.
-CJ, break a leaf spring, you can still drive off the trail
-TJ, break a link and youre in trouble. (not as easy to fix if you dont have spares or a welder)
CJs are rare... (rarer)
Wranglers are a dime a dozen, I want to have something different.
and the biggest reason... $$$$
I have less into my Scrambler than purchase price of a new Wrangler. sure you can buy a used one and put the mods into it, (done that with my old 03 TJ) but youll never have something as cool or as built up as a CJ with the same money.
and I dont have a monthly payment on my Jeep too, so if times get tough, I park it and it costs me nothing.

oh and one more thing... My Scrambler, leaf spring, drives better than my 03 TJ did with 35s on it.

but anyways, back to topic. The LJ looks awesome! I always liked those. I helped my buddy build one with a Nth Degree lift kit. seriously sweet (and expensive) suspension.
 
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