Ian from Xtreme
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Had to shoot today so I did not get a chance to take any pics. I am heading out of town for the holodays so I am afraid that you will have to wait until the new year.
Project 8 on tv
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Like The Effort!
Being an owner of 3 cj8's at present time from stock to extreme, I appreciate the show. Knowledge comes in many ways and your show has triggered many discussions. The building of "MLC" was a 13 month effort and well worth the work and dollars. Great friendships can develop during these hours working on a rig. Should the Scambler Nationals not work out for you, serveral that post here own cj8 rigs that like to travel and play with the equipment we have put together. Clayton, OK area is great test grounds for extreme rigs. Keep up your efforts!
Being an owner of 3 cj8's at present time from stock to extreme, I appreciate the show. Knowledge comes in many ways and your show has triggered many discussions. The building of "MLC" was a 13 month effort and well worth the work and dollars. Great friendships can develop during these hours working on a rig. Should the Scambler Nationals not work out for you, serveral that post here own cj8 rigs that like to travel and play with the equipment we have put together. Clayton, OK area is great test grounds for extreme rigs. Keep up your efforts!
scrambler1
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Is it Really Ian?
How do we know if it really is Ian.
I have only seen the show a dozen times or so. But my opinion probably the better of all the automotive tech television. Ian appears to be very good at what he does.
How do we know if it really is Ian.
I have only seen the show a dozen times or so. But my opinion probably the better of all the automotive tech television. Ian appears to be very good at what he does.
scrambler1
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Just what I thought.
7jeeps7kings
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Ian welcome to cj8.com
I am glad you are bulding this cj8.
Just this year I bought a 1985 cj8 for my wife.
I oringinally was looking for a just a frame.
I started this project when I was going threw my jeep parts and found a 4" yj procomp lift.
so all I need was a frame/ body/ some misc.
parts and I knew I would have a nice jeep for my wife.
well damn I wish I would have found out about the tdk frame before I made my purchase.
I think even though the frame does not make the jeep vintage.
the frame is still very "trick". I wish I would have seen it earlier.
I can't say that I made a bad purchase.
I did get a title cj8, that runs and needs a little tlc.
I'm sorry for all the bashing on this forum.
but again it is on the internet and thats how forums go sometimes.
I think it goes something like " you can make some people happy some of the time, but you can't make all the people happy all of the time". or something like that.
anyhow I do watch your show almost every saturday and sunday.
I think it is a good show to watch.
I watch mostly for the new parts, tools, and concepts.
as most people I do and don't agree with some of the stuff on your show.
but again "opinions are like _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ everyones got one".
I can say the most disappointing thing about your show was actually seeing the rigs up close.
I was at canfield fairgrounds in canfield ohio and I was not impressed.
I'm not saying that the job you did on the rigs doesn't work, but it waste pretty.
your rigs are kind of like the old saying about taking a ugly girl to prom.
don't get me wrong it doesn't always need to look as I said "pretty".
and I know these rigs are slammed together for our entertainment. IMO.lol.
On tv the rigs look good. In person not so much!
and your not the only show that has this problem list above. IMO.
I go to a ton of car, truck, jeep, bike and trade shows.
and I see this all the time.
shows that use big name parts and have so/so quality out comes. from: trick my truck, muscle car tv, pimp my ride, american hot rod, occ choppers, two guys and a garage...
I can say the only show on tv that has built 100% better then off the show room floor rigs that used big name parts and had a good quality out come is: chip foose overhaulin.
and I can't say it because I like their show better then yours.
because I really can't stand chris jacobs (one of the shows host). so don't feel bad.
I can say my hopes for your cj8 build is a clean, nice build that falls into every jeep guys wish list.
I can say from what I have seen on tv so far it looks nice.
but once I see it in person I'll tell you how I really feel. LOL
keep jeepen,
7jeeps7kings
I am glad you are bulding this cj8.
Just this year I bought a 1985 cj8 for my wife.
I oringinally was looking for a just a frame.
I started this project when I was going threw my jeep parts and found a 4" yj procomp lift.
so all I need was a frame/ body/ some misc.
parts and I knew I would have a nice jeep for my wife.
well damn I wish I would have found out about the tdk frame before I made my purchase.
I think even though the frame does not make the jeep vintage.
the frame is still very "trick". I wish I would have seen it earlier.
I can't say that I made a bad purchase.
I did get a title cj8, that runs and needs a little tlc.
I'm sorry for all the bashing on this forum.
but again it is on the internet and thats how forums go sometimes.
I think it goes something like " you can make some people happy some of the time, but you can't make all the people happy all of the time". or something like that.
anyhow I do watch your show almost every saturday and sunday.
I think it is a good show to watch.
I watch mostly for the new parts, tools, and concepts.
as most people I do and don't agree with some of the stuff on your show.
but again "opinions are like _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ everyones got one".
I can say the most disappointing thing about your show was actually seeing the rigs up close.
I was at canfield fairgrounds in canfield ohio and I was not impressed.
I'm not saying that the job you did on the rigs doesn't work, but it waste pretty.
your rigs are kind of like the old saying about taking a ugly girl to prom.
don't get me wrong it doesn't always need to look as I said "pretty".
and I know these rigs are slammed together for our entertainment. IMO.lol.
On tv the rigs look good. In person not so much!
and your not the only show that has this problem list above. IMO.
I go to a ton of car, truck, jeep, bike and trade shows.
and I see this all the time.
shows that use big name parts and have so/so quality out comes. from: trick my truck, muscle car tv, pimp my ride, american hot rod, occ choppers, two guys and a garage...
I can say the only show on tv that has built 100% better then off the show room floor rigs that used big name parts and had a good quality out come is: chip foose overhaulin.
and I can't say it because I like their show better then yours.
because I really can't stand chris jacobs (one of the shows host). so don't feel bad.
I can say my hopes for your cj8 build is a clean, nice build that falls into every jeep guys wish list.
I can say from what I have seen on tv so far it looks nice.
but once I see it in person I'll tell you how I really feel. LOL
keep jeepen,
7jeeps7kings
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TXtrailbuggy
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WOW, I think that went a little far. This thread was supposed to be about the Scrambler build on X-treme4x4, not all the other builds that they do. I give thanks to Ian for posting here and discussing with us the build of a Jeep that we all love, even if we all can not agree on how the build should go. We should all be respectful enough not to bash someone that has taken time out of a busy schedule to post here. Bashing, belittling and cursing should be reserved for PBB where all the other imaturity takes place.
My opinion is this forum to too nice to have posts like the one I just read above and if you dont think so, here are a few more people that agree with me
https://www.cj-8.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21963
stepping off the soap box,
Bo
My opinion is this forum to too nice to have posts like the one I just read above and if you dont think so, here are a few more people that agree with me
https://www.cj-8.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21963
stepping off the soap box,
Bo
7jeeps7kings
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Sorry it’s true! IMO.
I'm just trying to say let’s see something really nice.
Does anyone else out there in cj8 land know what I'm talking about?
It just makes me mad when you see these really cool build ups on TV.
And when you actually get a chance to see the car, jeep, truck, bike...
up close and you’re like damn thats not how it looked on TV. I guess I just expect more from the guys on top with all the cool tools, parts, and high budgets. The concepts are cool, but the finishing touches (IMO) are not there. (Ex: welds, paint, fab parts...) And it is totally relevant to the topic at hand. I think some people forget that there is a difference between fixing something on the trail to make it home; and fabing something up in the garage. I personally will take the extra time at home to make it look as clean as possible. When on the trail, it's whatever it takes.
And by no means am I judging Ian as a person. I waited to talk to him and ask him a few questions when I was at the fairgrounds. And he is a very well grounded and nice guy to talk to. I might be a very critical person, or judgmental. But it's the truth. why not help a fellow 4x4 guy out.
I'm just trying to say let’s see something really nice.
Does anyone else out there in cj8 land know what I'm talking about?
It just makes me mad when you see these really cool build ups on TV.
And when you actually get a chance to see the car, jeep, truck, bike...
up close and you’re like damn thats not how it looked on TV. I guess I just expect more from the guys on top with all the cool tools, parts, and high budgets. The concepts are cool, but the finishing touches (IMO) are not there. (Ex: welds, paint, fab parts...) And it is totally relevant to the topic at hand. I think some people forget that there is a difference between fixing something on the trail to make it home; and fabing something up in the garage. I personally will take the extra time at home to make it look as clean as possible. When on the trail, it's whatever it takes.
And by no means am I judging Ian as a person. I waited to talk to him and ask him a few questions when I was at the fairgrounds. And he is a very well grounded and nice guy to talk to. I might be a very critical person, or judgmental. But it's the truth. why not help a fellow 4x4 guy out.
Ian from Xtreme
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7jeeps7kings said:
Wow,
I guess I would like to know what disapointed you so much with the trucks in Canfield. Yes the Spider was beat up, but it is wheeled almost on a weekly basis.
The Toyota that was there was built in 3 weeks, that is 3 real weeks from start to finish.
I guess the Gorilla failed to impress, but since that truck is my daily driver it does have some wear and tear but I certainly don't think it is "junk"
Ian from Xtreme
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I wont be back into the shop until MOnday, so I will get some then and post them up. Next segment on the Scrambler will be in two weeks
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not sure how I missed this thread. props to Ian for taking the "criticism".
I really don't have much else to add. I am not a fabricator, just a hack with some hand tools. I really havent seen xtreme in a couple years, might be time to tune back in...
Welcome to CJ-8.com
I really don't have much else to add. I am not a fabricator, just a hack with some hand tools. I really havent seen xtreme in a couple years, might be time to tune back in...
Welcome to CJ-8.com
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43Duc
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Ian, thanks for coming here. It's nice to see you're a pretty grounded dude! I have to admit I was a little disapointed about the Scrambler build not being a true common main garage build. But I got over it and I look forward to what you have coming up. I'm always entertained by whatever it is you're building, even if it's not my cup o' tea!
Keep up the good work on the show!
Keep up the good work on the show!
Apples to Apples?
Ian,
I have to say that I watch the "powerblock" shows as often as possible. I watch them to pick out any useful info that I can use. I feel that if I watch someone else doing something, that I can usually end up doing it as well.
Anyway, I have owned and have been building my Scrambler since 1998. It has gone through many stages of being built based on my needs or funds at any given time, and I learned as I went along. Before I bought it, I had no mechanical experience just some mechanical aptitude and alot of desire. Most of my work was done with less than the criteria stated on your show.
Storytime:
In the beginning, I swapped a fiberglass body onto my jeep and got it running during the middle of a northeastern winter in one of those carport tents you get from Costco. I was only working with the most garbage hand tools you can think of. So I was able to do the body swap in a much smaller space than a 2 car garage with crappy tools, walking uphill both ways, barefoot in snow!
Next, not long after the body swap, I was trying to work on the brakes and clutch in a freezing wintry rain storm with a big blue tarp (20x40) over the entire vehicle as cover. Well, when I went to test out the work, I must have forgotton to hook something up and , and I ended up running into my friends car ( I was in his driveway). After crashing it all around a bit with the granny low T-18, whiteknuckled and wide-eyed, I finally got my head together enough to shut off the motor. Lesson learned. Scrambler -1, Nissan Stanza -0. ( Again projects being done, no hi-lux 2 car garage, no high dollar tools.)
Eventually I blew up the I6 and ended up storing the jeep from one backyard to the next. It was then that I decided to start buying parts for another phase in my jeep rebuild. I saved up and got a 350 Vortec (this was a hot swap in '00-'01), a 4L60e and Passenger drop NP241C for $2800 delivered (with winring PCM, etc.) from California to Massachusetts from a place called Rancho-Chevy Recycling. As I saved up more, I bought some 1-ton axles from Boyce Equipment. These were $5500 total delivered. It was D60 limited slip front and disc brake'd 14 bolt detroit rear with 4.56's all around. I looked at buying them used and having a shop build them in my area, but it was about the same price and required tons of extra time and labor on my part. SO, instead of doing all the legwork, I put that time into working more hours at my job so I could just buy a complete new package at a fractional difference in cost (Kind of like Ian's reasoning with the aluminum body). I also ended up buying a frame from Matkin's because mine was shot and I couldnt fathom making one at the time. But shortly thereafter, my buddy Demian (the one with the STanza, the driveway, and the backyard that I used and abused mentioned above, Thanks bro!) and I bought a welder and I immediatly regretted having bought the frame. Once I started welding, forget it, I felt like I could make anything. And I always did it in a driveway, or a backyard, or in some crappy type weather. It was only later that I was able to finish the project in a garage that still does not even compare to the 2 car garage like what is being debated here!
Anyways, said and done, with all the nickle and diming, I have in mine at least what Ian is putting into his "made-for-TV" scrambler project, and it was built in less than a 2 car garage with low buck tools. I love my jeep and am constantly tinkering with it using the info made available from forums, magazines and shows like Ian's. THe difference between mine and Ian;s build is that by the time I'm done, (done?!?! silly me) I will have far surpassed Ian's proposed "budget", and my project will will have been done over a lot longer "not-made-for-TV" schedule. I, like Ian, feel that my project is unique, and am probably the only person living in NYC now with a modded jeep scrambler. Thats one in millions (like 8 million I think). And it was worth it.
So Ian, I have these things to say:
One, I, like many others, think it's cool that you came to this forum to discuss this project.
Two, unfortunatly, your situation is a typical one where people are going "hate". Every show, every magazine, etc sets themselves up for alot of ridicule when they start throwing around words like "budget-build," as budget is a VERY relative term. Any time this discussion comes up, I always hear the same type of sarcasm, "And here we are using "insert high-dollar part here" , that we had lying aroung the shop." Cost to budget = $0. (MONSTER GARAGE anyone?) And honestly, when that happens in a build, I have agree with the sarcasm.
Lastly, I like your your show. I hope you keep going on with it. But, I have one question for you: Seeing as I always thought a CJ-7 hardtop looked lame on a full length scrambler body, I can't help but wonder, and am getting a little antsy to see how in the world you are going to make that look good?
Please post some pictures already!
Sincerely,
Matt
P.S. here is an older picture of my junk with the backyard swapped in 350.
Ian,
I have to say that I watch the "powerblock" shows as often as possible. I watch them to pick out any useful info that I can use. I feel that if I watch someone else doing something, that I can usually end up doing it as well.
Anyway, I have owned and have been building my Scrambler since 1998. It has gone through many stages of being built based on my needs or funds at any given time, and I learned as I went along. Before I bought it, I had no mechanical experience just some mechanical aptitude and alot of desire. Most of my work was done with less than the criteria stated on your show.
Storytime:
In the beginning, I swapped a fiberglass body onto my jeep and got it running during the middle of a northeastern winter in one of those carport tents you get from Costco. I was only working with the most garbage hand tools you can think of. So I was able to do the body swap in a much smaller space than a 2 car garage with crappy tools, walking uphill both ways, barefoot in snow!
Next, not long after the body swap, I was trying to work on the brakes and clutch in a freezing wintry rain storm with a big blue tarp (20x40) over the entire vehicle as cover. Well, when I went to test out the work, I must have forgotton to hook something up and , and I ended up running into my friends car ( I was in his driveway). After crashing it all around a bit with the granny low T-18, whiteknuckled and wide-eyed, I finally got my head together enough to shut off the motor. Lesson learned. Scrambler -1, Nissan Stanza -0. ( Again projects being done, no hi-lux 2 car garage, no high dollar tools.)
Eventually I blew up the I6 and ended up storing the jeep from one backyard to the next. It was then that I decided to start buying parts for another phase in my jeep rebuild. I saved up and got a 350 Vortec (this was a hot swap in '00-'01), a 4L60e and Passenger drop NP241C for $2800 delivered (with winring PCM, etc.) from California to Massachusetts from a place called Rancho-Chevy Recycling. As I saved up more, I bought some 1-ton axles from Boyce Equipment. These were $5500 total delivered. It was D60 limited slip front and disc brake'd 14 bolt detroit rear with 4.56's all around. I looked at buying them used and having a shop build them in my area, but it was about the same price and required tons of extra time and labor on my part. SO, instead of doing all the legwork, I put that time into working more hours at my job so I could just buy a complete new package at a fractional difference in cost (Kind of like Ian's reasoning with the aluminum body). I also ended up buying a frame from Matkin's because mine was shot and I couldnt fathom making one at the time. But shortly thereafter, my buddy Demian (the one with the STanza, the driveway, and the backyard that I used and abused mentioned above, Thanks bro!) and I bought a welder and I immediatly regretted having bought the frame. Once I started welding, forget it, I felt like I could make anything. And I always did it in a driveway, or a backyard, or in some crappy type weather. It was only later that I was able to finish the project in a garage that still does not even compare to the 2 car garage like what is being debated here!
Anyways, said and done, with all the nickle and diming, I have in mine at least what Ian is putting into his "made-for-TV" scrambler project, and it was built in less than a 2 car garage with low buck tools. I love my jeep and am constantly tinkering with it using the info made available from forums, magazines and shows like Ian's. THe difference between mine and Ian;s build is that by the time I'm done, (done?!?! silly me) I will have far surpassed Ian's proposed "budget", and my project will will have been done over a lot longer "not-made-for-TV" schedule. I, like Ian, feel that my project is unique, and am probably the only person living in NYC now with a modded jeep scrambler. Thats one in millions (like 8 million I think). And it was worth it.
So Ian, I have these things to say:
One, I, like many others, think it's cool that you came to this forum to discuss this project.
Two, unfortunatly, your situation is a typical one where people are going "hate". Every show, every magazine, etc sets themselves up for alot of ridicule when they start throwing around words like "budget-build," as budget is a VERY relative term. Any time this discussion comes up, I always hear the same type of sarcasm, "And here we are using "insert high-dollar part here" , that we had lying aroung the shop." Cost to budget = $0. (MONSTER GARAGE anyone?) And honestly, when that happens in a build, I have agree with the sarcasm.
Lastly, I like your your show. I hope you keep going on with it. But, I have one question for you: Seeing as I always thought a CJ-7 hardtop looked lame on a full length scrambler body, I can't help but wonder, and am getting a little antsy to see how in the world you are going to make that look good?
Please post some pictures already!Sincerely,
Matt
P.S. here is an older picture of my junk with the backyard swapped in 350.
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tinymay
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Wish I had cable sometimes... so I could see what all the fuss was about. I did see a couple of episodes when on trips and stuff. Hey IAN, perhaps you could step up to the "free" TV networks and replace some of the shows that are dogging the afternoon entertainment. I'd love to watch some guy stuff while eatin supper and sippin a brew. Oh well, satelite might be in our future.