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Scout or Wagoneer 44's

It is passenger side drop. Axle is upside down in the picture. Front axle is not good for a Jeep unless you do some wrk to it. Wagoneer Dana 44s is my preference. Buy the shackle reversal/outboard kit for the front. Did it to my CJ7
 
When I click the link; it only gives me one picture and tells me its too far from me.....

Looks to me like its rolled over and we are looking at the bottom of it....look at the steering castings... I think that is pass drop

Others should chime it....
 
I agree on the axle being upside down in the pic, you can tell by the ball joints as well. I also agree on the Waggy axle being better for a CJ.

It also depends on your intended use. If this is a trail rig only, ther Scout axle will be fine. The Waggy axle will handle much better on the road.
 
My vote is for Waggy axles also. I narrowed the waggy front 4.25" and made it 5 on 5.5" bolt pattern to match the CJ wide-trac D44 rear that I am running. If you choose to go this route, I can fill you in on the details.
 
I believe that axle is upside down. Rotate it 180 degrees, and there is your passenger drop axle. Hopefully they did not run it upside down to get a spring over lift.
 
Thanks All. My intended use for my 8 is around town cruiser, and a capable trail rig. Nothing hardcore in the near term. Like to run 35's with 44's f/r and locked. I ran a TJ years ago with an 8.8r/44f and I liked that setup, but not with the 5x4.5.

If I can find a set of Waggy axles, it sounds like these would be a better setup?
 
brp0830 said:
I’m going to let the 9” pass. I found a set of Scott ii 44’s. I’m trying to get more info from the seller, as from the pic, it looks like a drivers side drop, but I thought Scout ii 44’s were passenger drop? Here’s a link. Let me know what y’all think. Anythingi should be looking out for? I’ll post more pics as I get them

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496535747866824/
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That is a passenger drop front end, it’s upside down on the stands. You’ll be ahead of the game if you use a Waggy or narrowed J-truck front end. Do some research. Lots of opinions on this out there.
 
John N said:
That is a passenger drop front end, it’s upside down on the stands. You’ll be ahead of the game if you use a Waggy or narrowed J-truck front end. Do some research. Lots of opinions on this out there.
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Is the difference between a scout and a waggy that the C's are welded on clocked wrong for caster?
 
tower210 said:
Is the difference between a scout and a waggy that the C's are welded on clocked wrong for caster?
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Scout axles were set with near 0 deg of caster from the factory. This makes for bad/darty handling on the street and even offroad at speed. Wagoneer's have caster like stock CJ's did or maybe a few more deg so they will handle much better. That is why people cut the inner c's off Scout axles and reset them to have more caster.

If required to regear, whether you do Scout or Wagoneer low pinion, I suggest you research Jantz 4x4 and read about installing JK gears with his JK4 kit. He used to have a lot of information on his website, but it seems to be missing. The rear JK gears are almost the size of Dana 60 in Ring Gear and Pinion diameter. It adds a lot of strength over the original gears. Anyone regearing a low pinion dana 44 should really consider it especially if you are upgrading the diff to a locker as you are required to use the high speed carrier due to the smaller inside diameter of the ring gear. I have it in my GM D44 and has been working good so far.
http://shop.jantzengineering.com/jana-kits/jana-k4-kit/
 
tower210 said:
Is the difference between a scout and a waggy that the C's are welded on clocked wrong for caster?
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Yes, the Scout axles have less caster than Jeep. Really not much more work to fix than narrowing a full size Jeep axle.
 
In addition, the steering knuckles on a Scout don’t really work, too long. The Scout uses a weaker external lock out hub, the Waggy/Jeep front uses an internal spline hub. The brakes are larger on the Jeep front. Probably some things I’ve forgotten..
 
aren't those more narrow than the CJ8 wide track? I was under the impression wide track was around 56"? Please correct me if i'm wrong
 
I have seen different widths reported online but that is generally about an inch narrower than WT width.
I wonder if there are any lockers in them. For all that is included, that sounds like a great deal if they were built right.
 
More accurate measurement was taken and they're at or around 56". Open diffs
 
If I found one of those near me, I'd buy it just to have it! :drool:

I've already rebuilt my AMC20 with good axles, gears, and locker though, so I would not swap it out for a D44 at this point.

If you need to build an axle either way though, that's not a bad way to go.

How do you plan to use this Jeep? What size tires are you going to use? For most of us, the D30 is fine in the front... but it wouldn't take much to push its limits.

Good luck!
 
I'm going to use it as mainly a cruiser around town and take down to the land to hunt. Some occasional trips to Uwharrie or other OHV parks around the area. Nothing serious like I did with my TJ. Max tire size will be 35's
 
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